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A movie that hasn't aired yet has 5.5 on IMDB out of 129k reviews
65 points by muse900 on Apr 21, 2017 | hide | past | web | favorite | 23 comments
A movie about the Armenian Genocide, called The Promise, has received 129k reviews and the majority of them are negative.

With only 3 airings previously and an airing date today, this is clearly not right.

I hope this gets the attention of someone working on IMDB and sets this straight.


Wikipedia has some more information on the issue:

"By the end of October 2016, before its official release and after only three pre-release screenings in September 2016 at the Toronto International Film Festival to small audiences, IMDb had registered over 86,000 ratings for the film. 55,126 of which were one-star and 30,639 of which were 10-star, with very few ratings falling anywhere in between. The majority of these votes had been cast by males outside of the US. By mid-November the total was over 91,000 votes, with over 57,000 one-star votes. Commentators assessed that these were mostly votes by people who had never seen the film, and that the one star voting was part of an orchestrated campaign by Armenian Genocide deniers to downrate the movie, which had then initiated an Armenian response to highly rate the movie."


Reminds me of Serdar Argic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serdar_Argic), an Armenian-Genocide denier who ruined USENET for quite some time.

I'm not certain why so much Turkish identity is apparently tied up in denying the Armenian & Pontic Genocides. Just admit it happened and move on!

The problem is a weird type of nationalism, that not only does not allow them to see over their own biases, but it kinda goes like this Turkey>Islam>Rest, and you can't be a good Turk if you don't slam all your enemies 24/7 :)

I wonder what the best solution to this is? Amazon has "Verified Purchase" on reviews that ensure the person at least has bought the thing they are reviewing. I could see a system that is "Verified Watching" which confirms the person has watched the thing all the way through. This would be easier to implement on something like Netflix where that data is already available, but you could probably work some verification process through third parties with IMDB. Of course, this wouldn't stop people from just sitting through a showing and manipulating the votes but it certainly makes it harder.

Personally I think Verified Purchase on Amazon does more harm than good.

Many of the spam reviewers are still a Verified Purchase through Amazon and were just reimbursed after (it doesn't actually provide much benefit because VP is a poor proxy for legitimate customer). I always turn it off and wish they allowed making this the default.

There are too many products, office chairs are one example, where buying on Amazon is more expensive than buying elsewhere. So in this case the verified purchase reviews are not from the consumers that did the best research... not necessarily the people you want to give credit to. Ikea products on Amazon are another example.

Still Amazon reviews have de facto standardized as the central hub for product reviews on the web. I might never buy orange juice from Amazon when it's much easier and faster to grab at the grocery store, but before I plop down $8 for a jug of organic, all natural, etc from a brand I've never heard of, it's nice to be able to validate it a little bit.

If they expanded verified purchase to include other sources, eg uploading a receipt to prove verification, then this would change my stance. However, does that really align with their business?

I think verified watching is a similar circumstance.

A simple fix I'm thinking about would be IMDB simply ignoring all the pre-release ratings once the film has been released and received a number of more reliable ratings.

Additionally, they might ignore all ratings from people who clearly submit fraudulent ratings.

It's not fool-proof, because you can still use throw-away accounts to nuke the ratings after release, but it would fix and discourage the most obvious fraud.

This is definitely an unfortunate event for Turks (I'm one of them) There was several facebook groups and pages distributing heavily negative opinions about movie. Comments about movie were mess. Definitely a terrible shame for all Turks. Even if they are right about history (that's really unlikely, historical evidence points opposite. As a Turk I believe that was more than a cruel war. And probably I will be down voted because of this message.) Starting a campaign against a movie they have never seen, and putting 1 star and asking for more people to thrash out the movie on IMDB, was another wrong. It won't make it right. I am truly sorry for those people who gave efforts for that movie in the name of my people. It was even 1 point last month. I tried to put my opinion about how wrong that campaign in social media. But again I have been blamed for ridiculous claims. It was just a mass mania. Craziness. Can't even find a better word to describe it. So there is clearly no hope for a Turk - Armenian peace any time soon. And I am really disappointed, frustrated for this.

  It was just a mass mania. Craziness. 
  Can't even find a better word to describe it. 
I believe that you are describing it very accurately. I hope that there is at lease some research going on about how to solve issues like this because there are too many conflicts based on the lack of reason caused by mass hysteria.

For those who don't understand the negative reviews, this is an attempt at subversion by Turkish Armenian Genocide deniers to continue a campaign of suppressing any medium that goes against their narrative.

Sadly, the campaign is working. In a time where we are as interconnected as we are, a political film with tens of thousands of fake reviews should send out a huge red flag: someone doesn't want this movie to be seen. However the reality is that not many people are even aware there are so many fake reviews. The mainstream media is not covering this issue. IMDB has not responded. I'm not sure why this is, but can guess that it's related to the subject not being newsworthy & risk of harm with Turkish relations (i.e. why the U.S. refuses to officially acknowledge the genocide).

Many people are going to visit the ratings page before deciding to watch the film, and of those some will decide it's not worth their time because of the overwhelmingly negative score.

Considering the high frequency of Turkish films on the bottom list[1], it might be the case of a number of people with too much time on their hands rather than something more serious

[1] http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom

Hadn't heard about the movie but now I for sure look forward to watch it.

It would be so much easier to spot fake comments or highly controversial subjects if rating systems would also show how the rating is distributed. This shouldn't be very hard to implement, too.


It should be clear that advocating population removal is the kind of uncivil and inflammatory comment that we need precisely zero of here. We detached this flagged subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14168194.


It makes me a bit sad that this comment was killed. I've never before been exposed to the point of view expressed within it, which seems to be genuinely held by the commenter, and it makes me wonder how many other genuinely held points of view I've never heard because someone else didn't want me to be able to form my own opinion on it.

I think it's important for people to understand where others are coming from, and it doesn't seem like this particular point of view could be expressed in any form, no matter how polite, without being removed from this forum. I think that's unfortunate.

In your profile you can set the showdead=yes to see those comments. There's advocating genocide, and shooting people on sight in an older comment. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10721429

I have showdead on, which is why I was able to see the comment.

There's advocating genocide, and shooting people on sight in an older comment.

I understand you're not the person that killed the comment, but could the commenter have expressed either of those points of view in a way that wouldn't have resulted in them being removed? If not, I think that's unfortunate. We're adults here and should be able to handle genuine conversation on sensitive topics, I would hope.

You've expressed your point quite clearly, and I appreciate it. Hacker News is not the place for every kind of discussion, and it's fair for users to flag this comment because the guidelines say that we're not here to have this particular one. If civility entails politeness out of respect and consideration for others, then surely it must also include valuing their lives.

then surely it must also include valuing their lives

Valuing them above what? There are probably not very many people on this planet that can truly claim to value all human life equally and above everything else.

I would arguea HN thread about home security systems that shoot intruders upon home invasion would be tolerated on HN.

So self-defense / death alone are not enough to flag a comment. Political movements like ELF (Earth Liberation Front) used arguments similar to mine on why, for example, coal plants are legitimate targets in self defense.

The comment you linked was an (perhaps poor) attempt to prove the absurdity of free market ideology by taking it to the extreme.

why would i use imdb without discussion boards? pretty much everything I need to know about movie i can find on TMDb.org plus discussions for each movie on top of it and if it's empty there I can just check imdb archive at hashed.io for specific movie, people should really stop using imdb after what they did in February

What did they do in February?

Amazon/IMDb closed the discussion boards. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13571893

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