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> You are aware that your numbers are wrong?

No, the numbers are correct.

> but Chernobyl caused many more deaths.

No, 56 direct deaths. Check the Wikipedia article.

"56 direct deaths (47 accident workers and nine children with thyroid cancer) and it is estimated that there may eventually be 4,000 extra cancer deaths among the approximately 600,000 most highly exposed people."

> Even the WHO predicted 4000

(a) that is an estimate and (b) those are classified as indirect deaths, not least because they are estimated to occur over a span of 30-40 years. Also, these estimates are hard because cancer rates in the area have significant fluctuation due to other causes. And these are the estimates that were revised downward with every iteration of the report (every 10 years AFAICT).

So 4000 is the best number we have and, given the history of these projections, still likely to be on the high side.

> that is one of the lower figures.

It is likely to be the most accurate one, and they have been revising that estimate down with each report they publish. The other figures are generally from organizations with agendas to push and usually without any actual evidence.

> to say it was 56 is not even a base for discussion

Actually, that is the correct number of direct deaths, and the only ones where we can be certain of the causation.

> all the deaths caused by nuclear energy...including uran production

Please read the other linked article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_accidents

Or these:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2012/06/10/energys-d...

http://www.theenergycollective.com/willem-post/191326/deaths...

So nuclear is safer not just than coal (which is the main alternative), but also than oil, natural gas, biofuel/biomass, Peat, solar rooftop, wind and hydro.

And yes, it is logically consistent to say there are no "catastrophes" (plural) when there is only one event that rates as a catastrophe (singular). And yes, scale matters. When you are talking about catastrophes that take thousands or hundreds of thousands of direct casualties, events that have 56 direct casualties are probably not properly rated as catastrophes.

And when you include long-term effects, it is somewhat hard to rate as "catastrophic" something that's significantly safer than rooftop solar.




Okay. So for Chernobyl, you are talking about direct deaths. For coal, the important figure are the indirect deaths. I think I said enough.


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> But it is true that you have said enough. More than enough, in fact, because it has all been devoid of any facts.

Please edit uncivil swipes out of your comments here. It makes them less substantive and is destructive of thoughtful conversation.




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