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Could you speak more about why re-investments cannot be made? It seems the inability to re-invest would skew decisions towards 10x and 100x returns rather than a series of 1.5x returns done many times. My background is mostly Wall St, and for us, a 1% return on a small horizon is great -- since you can just keep repeating it. Why would GPs be blocked from doing something similar where they aim for quick base hits rather than a grand slam?

Because of the rate of failure for early stage startups are high, the need for individual winning investments to make up for the other losses AND generate the required returns for both the LPs and the carry for the fund managers would require that base hits for winners are not sufficient. The wins need to be much more significant to allow the portfolio as a whole to have acceptable returns. In general I agree with you -- I prefer shorter-horizon lower-scale repeatable wins over longer-horizon, high-risk, potentially greater returns. I honestly think venture investing is successful for only a small number of entities who happen to either have some sort of inside track into superior deal flow, and ability to CREATE winners by influencing markets (exit markets especially), or some sort of strategic advantage in their industry. Otherwise it's 100% luck. As an individual investor, I think angel investing is very much an easy way to part with a lot of money. I stopped angel investing when I realized it was high-risk gambling/speculation combined with some sort of philanthropy combined with ego-centric elbow rubbing with others. I've got a stock-based swing strategy I'm working instead. Lower downside risk, with equal potential gains at scale.

I honestly don't know except from my experience that the goal is to keep the fund as low cost as possible: invest in a bunch of companies early, invest in follow-on rounds over next couple of years, and otherwise keep overhead down.

The funds I'm in don't take board seats, though they do offer access to its network of investors and contacts to the companies it invests in. Different funds are run different ways. The GPs of the funds I'm in do not do this as their primary job, other funds have principals (GPs or other forms of partners) who draw their income from the funds in one way or another.

Other considerations: the funds have a limited lifespan (I believe each of the three I'm in are 10 year limited partnerships with an option to extend by simple majority vote of LPs). Because they're limited partnerships, the returns get reported as income to the IRS, and I'd owe taxes on them, even if they were not distributed, which is another reason not to re-invest returns (if the returns were re–invested, you could potentially pay taxes on income which then gets "lost" when re–invested in a startup which fails).

I commented elsewhere in this thread that so far across three funds we're seeing the 33% fail, 33% break even (modest returns) and 33% either have returned the fund or have potential to do so, which is a pattern I've seen repeated by many venture funds over the years I've been following or investing in them.

I can't speak to the reasoning, but that's exactly the impact. I was at a start-up that needed bridge financing to pay off some debt; we had a customer placing orders and we were literally months from being insanely profitable. It was late 2008 - early 09, in the depths of the financial crisis. No bank would touch us, and VC's wanted a minimum 2x return on their investment. We ultimately ended up having to sell the company.

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