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He made an extensive repository of information on how to get hired at Google[1], gave talks on the subject[2], and studied full time for 8 months[3].

And it's not that he interviewed and didn't get the job...they didn't even let him interview, not even the phone screen. That's pretty rough.




I find quite interesting the trend of "preparing for an interview at company X". I think that, ideally, interviewing should be discovering if there's a match, not set up a challenge for someone to achieve.

Technical interviews should be more about doing due diligence over someone having the knowledge they say they have... not some sort of game people write books on how to train for it...

> Technical interviews should be more about doing due diligence over someone having the knowledge they say they have... not some sort of game people write books on how to train for it...

Yet they aren't, technical interviews are mostly bullshit CS questions which you barely use in day-to-day programming. And it isn't like CS knowledge is all you need to be a good programmer. Technical interviews are exactly what you say they are, a game.

And every game has rules that can be exploited. This guy's mistake was to try and completely break the game, which would have left Google with no alternative but to invent a different game.

I despise these games and people that pass them get all sorts of confirmation bias when they pass the tests.

I remember going through this process for internships and wondering how I was supposed to figure out all of these weird puzzles on the spot. Then I made a few friends and we all just traded questions with each other. We'd spend weeks on the problem and pretended we just figured it out.

I interview engineering candidates at Google, and the process we have is pretty good at letting us (interviewers) see how the candidate thinks, as well as assess their knowledge about algorithms, data structures, and distributed systems, and their programming hygiene, and software design skills. So I'm pretty happy about it.

Also the interviewers are separate from the people making the hiring decision, which I think is a good thing.

I'm not 100% acquainted with the questions Google asks, but in general "knowledge about algorithms, data structures" favours memorisation strongly. In fact, sometimes it is the only option. I think it would be quite a high bar to expect someone to come up with a complex algorithm from scratch in a 60 minute interview for which researchers have needed decades. (Edit: not to mention way harder and more unreliable that just learning it off by heart).

My programming hygiene and software design skills? You can see that more reliably from my Github work, but then recruiters and interviewers almost never take the time to look at that. Instead, we're stuck relying on a shitty test, not years and years of hard work and data, because it's easier for you to evaluate. Good job everybody.

Who has the time to look at you and other millions of candidates' Github repos? Recruiters wouldn't understand them anyway and engineers have more important work to do.

I mean, I can't even try to convince you that our method is good if you aren't acquainted with it but already found flaws in it :)

If you provide comprehensive information on the Google interviewing process, I would be very happy to respond with more certainty. I am only one person who may or may not have gone through the Google process at some stage. But I have (also?) interviewed at other companies, so I was generalising - which I pointed out.

You have quite elegantly avoided saying which parts I got right and which parts I got wrong. In fact, you haven't said anything specific, probably because you aren't allowed to?

If your complaints about the process were meant in a general way, about interviewing in general, I agree with them. I don't think they apply to how we do interviews. I wouldn't be happy about Google's process otherwise, as I want both the company to succeed and to work with great people.

I think I have a poor memory myself, yet I'd say I'm able to design efficient algorithms and evaluate their costs. Of course I wouldn't expect anybody to devise a publication-worthy algorithm within 45min. But most real world problems can be solved by standard algorithm-construction techniques, without any original research nor genius strike. It's part of the skill set of the trade, not something to learn by rote.

About recruiters and interviewers taking time to look at stuff, when I applied they even asked me for a list of all the college courses I had taken. Interviewers are encouraged to look at your past projects and enquire about their technical details.

I'm not convinced evaluating someone based on the quality of their code in GitHub is fair, though. The candidate might have improved their skills since writing that code. Or it could have been originally written by someone else for all I know. Also, not all candidates have been in a position to have code publicly available. Of course, we're not talking about evaluating Chris Lattner types here; that's not the level I interview anyway.

I can definitely see how preparing in such a public way would raise flags at the lower recruiter level.

I can see that...it's almost like corporate stalking. Personally, I don't get the company worship thing...there's plenty of interesting jobs outside of Google, Facebook, etc.

Not only that, if he got the job it would give him "proof" to say "look, my method works... now buy my book!" and a substantial side business.

Perhaps Google doesn't want to encourage this sort of behavior.

The interview's supposed to, in theory, hint at future performance as an employee - too many intensive study guides used by too many candidates, and it'll just end up reflecting how much cramming the candidate did for the interview.

I'm sorry for him, but I can't overlook the poetic justice of him losing a silly game (the Google interview system) that he was inadvertently enabling.

They get an absolutely insane amount of applicants on the few positions they are hiring for, so they don't have the resources to give everyone a fair chance. They need to eliminate a lot of people without spending too much time on them.

An applicant who is an expert on gaming their system is probably scary to allow into the system.

Kind of reinforces how much luck plays a part in recruitment at a scale such as Googles. Makes the "I don't hire unlucky people" trope a bit more relevant.

This seems like so much work for getting a job into one place.

pretty depressing

He instructed people on how to be hired at a company he was never hired at. I don't think I would ever hire someone making claim like that.

That's incorrect. He wrote a blog about what he was personally doing to get hired at Google... he wasn't claiming to teach people how to get hired.

"You can hear me talk about my journey to become a web developer, how I'm working on a career change, and what you need to know to interview at Google." [1]

"This is my multi-month study plan for going from web developer (self-taught, no CS degree) to Google software engineer." [2]

The author presents two conflicting pieces of information. In [1], it seems like he has accomplished this goal of being hired. In [2], he is working towards it and has not clue if anything presented will work.

[1]: https://googleyasheck.com/presenting-at-code-fellows/ [2]: https://github.com/jwasham/google-interview-university

Even a cursory glance at the blog shows that this is his attempt to journal his journey...nothing more. You are splitting hairs.

After poking around a bit more, I see why I incorrectly came to that conclusion. Visiting the About page [1] provides this quote: "I'm publishing this blog to chronicle my long journey to becoming a Google engineer."

Without reading this quote, each post makes it seem like he knows everything about how to get hired. With the quote, each post reads very differently.

[1]: https://googleyasheck.com/about/

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