Some of the design choices seem edgy maybe, but nothing that would be a deal breaker for me. I don't need a new machine right now, but when the time comes I see no blocking issues with it and in a few years time when I will be in the market things like USB-C only will be even less of an issue.
I don't for one second buy the idea that Apple is neglecting the Mac. A neglected product doesn't get an entirely new and unique touch interface format that's fully supported by the integrated software from top to bottom, an entirely new keyboard design and a risky but forward looking peripheral port revamp. These are not choices you'd see made by a company treating the device as an afterthought.
We just have a few more months to know what Apple really has in mind. And by the end of the year that will be clear if 2 year between updates minimum is the new best for the mac line.
I don't know if new Mac Pros are in the roadmap. But if they're not, while that would suck for those people that depend on them, it would hardly be the end of the line for the Mac.
The complain isn't with the wide colour gamut display or any new feature they added, but its the other stuff that they sacrificed.
I started skeptical -- I'm still using a 2012 pre-retina MBP because I can swap out the RAM/drive myself and it appears to be the last option without a damn glossy screen. But I have to try the new hardware, because old hardware doesn't last forever.
The noise and travel from the keyboard is atrocious. Guess if we're all using the touchbar and the giant trackpad it doesn't matter?
When the 2015 MacBook came out, nobody knew what a butterfly keyboard was. Nobody had ever tried, felt, or melded with that keyboard. But journalists who got to try it did start hating on it right after the event finished.
Also, the MacBook was an addition to the existing Air + Pro product lines so you could just happily ignore its existence if you didn't like it.
I am a computer professional. I was delighted to get the 2016 MacBook. I imagine plenty, though not all, other professionals also use it -- in fact I see them doing so. I'm also not pompous or insecure enough to feel that there is some sort of magic dividing line between "real" computing folks and mere "consumers".
I must admit I build only small programs with Xcode, doing most of my development in Emacs, doing some compiles locally and much heavy lifting remotely. I have one large simulator that can only run for a few thousand steps locally, but I can happily run it on AWS.
On the other hand it's super-portable, perfectly powerful for the C, C++, Lisp, Java and Rust development I need it for; it runs web browsers, various clients etc perfectly well.
Perhaps if you have to do a lot of image or video editing it wouldn't be enough. It's hard to say, since I used to do editing on a shared 2.5 MIPS mainframe; on the other hand you wouldn't make a modern movie on a MacBook Pro. But you probably write such a program on a machine far less powerful than the users need.
But, in the end, I couldn't accept the large list of compromises. When it came down to it I specced out a brand new 2015 rMBP on the Apple Store.
I've been using it a couple of weeks now and I'm still glad I made that choice!
Planning to order a beefed up 15" 2015 model in the new year. Probably a refurb.
Apple does change stuff: "Why did they ruin a good thing?"
Apple's whole thing is simple products that work really well, and they're now suffering from it. Android or Windows can add 20 new bells and whistles, whereas that's not Apple's thing. Their initial versions are freakishly well-done (the current iPhone isn't that different from what was released a decade ago, and the MBP hasn't really changed either), and subsequent models suffer from that early level of polish and perfection. They need people to continue buying (they are a company), but really don't have many ways to entice people to.
"What happened at Apple, to be honest, over the years was... the goal used to be to make the best computers in the world. And.. that was goal 1. Goal 2, we got from Hewlett-Packard actually which was "we have to make a profit". Because if we don't make a profit we can't do goal 1. So, yeah, I mean we enjoyed making a profit, but the purpose of making a profit was so we can make the best computers in the world. Along the way somewhere those two got reversed. The goal is to make a lot of money and well, if we have to make some good computers well OK we'll do that... 'cause we can make a lot of money doing that. And, it's very subtle.. it's very subtle at first, but it turns out it's everything. That one little subtle flip... takes 5 years to see it.. but that one little subtle flip in 5 years means everything." - Steve Jobs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJKmnKbx-aE&feature=youtu.be...)
I got the one with Iris Pro. I was a bit worried about performance but after using it for a couple of days I'd say it's more than fine.
I haven't connected it to a 4K display though. I will try that and get back to you.
I was hoping it is still possible to buy a 2015 MBP with a discrete Nvidia GPU in it.
Maybe you were using it at 30Hz?
Moving windows around isn't smooth, resizing large windows is noticeably laggy, things like expose seem slow as well.
I can get a reasonably well configured 2016 15" MBP for $3100, and a reasonably "well" configured 2015 15" MBP for $2500. I just don't see shedding $600 as being valuable for what I lose. I'm stilling paying an Apple premium, and if I'm spending that much money on a MBP I want the current model.
I bought a 2nd-hand (from a specialist 2nd store, who test everything) immaculate MacBook Pro 11,5 (Mid-2015) 2.5GHz i7 - 512Gb SSD - 16Gb RAM for £1200 (~ $1500) and saved nearly £1000 on the same spec new.
Also, last night, if I'd had a new 2016 model, it would have flown across the floor onto the hard kitchen floor as someone accidentally tripped on my power cord.
Never been more thankful for MagSafe.
A 2015 model or a Thinkpad. Still deciding.
My 2014 15" MBP is mostly fine, however it needs some cleaning and anti-reflective coating issue has become really annoying lately.
2015 vs 2016 was hard since there's so little feedback from actual users(power\professional ones) and this post is really helpful. I haven't heard anything more annoying(to my ears) than this new keyboard.
Still buying smth 1.5 years old(instead of 2.5 y.o.) not to satisfy your expectations, just to meet your needs(old ones, but with no stain issues)... Is it the world that "pro"+"mobile" Apple users should live from now on? :\
I for one, do like the new direction of the MacBooks Pro - I think the ideal would be a 13" as 1) all the dedicated GPUs in the mobile space that I have used have always crapped out due to the combo of heat and bad BGA array solder (maybe things are better now than the fiascos with '08 vintage nVidia and ATI chips but that instilled a healthy amount of paranoia), and I have been moving towards wireless everything, dongle-free workflows. External storage and gizmos are through bluetooth or 802.11ac, or Apple TV airplay when possible. Assuming hardware v.2 gets some polished and the fancy contoured batteries, that will probably be good for me.
I suspect the Mark Gurman article was right - could have used a little more polish. Now that Jony Ive and Bob Mansfield's attn turned elsewhere, Apple has to find good successors to their roles...but this is something a successful corp has to do or else fall by the wayside.
They're great. You can change where you're working when you want for a change of scenery or for comfort reasons, you can take a laptop to presentations and meetings, and you can be fully productive on trains and in hotels when you're travelling. It's limiting if you're only able to work from a single physical desk and a bit more power from a desktop doesn't outweigh that for me.
I haven't owned a desktop since maybe 2002, and can't imagine ever getting one again.
It's also just staggeringly more powerful than my laptop. My tower compiles projects in Xcode 2x-3x as fast as my top of the line 2015 15" rMBP, and that time saved really piles up.
If you are fine with your desktop environment that's okay :)
+ this is not an MBP, just a 4 years old Dell with 1366x768 resolution. It's just fine. If I work on a larger project I just plug 2 extra screens and I'm good to go.
My own anecdata: I work in two places, one where I have a 'nice' laptop (some old-but-beefy Alienware thing) and one where I have a 'nice' whitebox desktop. When I'm on the desktop, I find that I'm not keeping my computer's limitations in mind as I do my work, whereas on the laptop I do. It's not at the forefront of my mind, but it's there to some degree. Before I moved to the Alienware (16G ram), I was on an 8G laptop, and I had daily issues with that constraint - even though all I used daily were terminals, about 15-20 browser tabs, and maybe a screencap program.
Then I go home and play games, and in that realm, laptops really are the middle-child if the game has any GPU or CPU heft (though again, laptops have the benefit of portability).
 not all website are created equal, of course...
Sort of like an iMac's Target Display Mode, but in reverse: instead of the "guest" computer doing the work and the "host" computer acting as a dumb frame-buffer, the "host" does the work and the "guest" acts as a Thunderbolt hub.
This is why I was asking whether there was ever a dock made for a specific computer that had this feature: it requires the guest's disk's OS to have drivers to let it boot the host—or even hardware compatibility such that docking the "guest" would cause it to hibernate to disk, and then boot from that same hibernation image on the host. That basically requires the host and guest [the dock and the portable] to be made together.
(And that's not even getting into weird things you could do with live process migration and NUMA and memory hotplug if you want to make both the host's and guest's processors available without an effective reboot/hibernation/sleep step.)
An aside: before it was revealed what exactly the Nintendo Switch was (a portable with a variable clock rate that overclocks itself when plugged into a heatsink dock), I had a suspicion that it might use this architecture: a portable that just turns itself into a disk and Bluetooth controller for a more powerful non-portable when plugged into it.
Like the Razer Core, with USB-C. Yep, I can see this happening, but also remote gaming where you rent the workstation and just get a thin client which only has to be able to download and see the 'movie'.
Gaming-wise, I can also see use cases where you want to get additional CPU power.
Yeah, I was thinking of my Surface Book (with the graphics card in the base).
> Yep, I can see this happening, but also remote gaming where you rent the workstation and just get a thin client which only has to be able to download and see the 'movie'.
I suspect the inherent latency will always argue against remote gaming - especially for the kind of games where you most want extra computing power.
Excellent example. In theory it could also work with devices like the newest MBPs.
> I suspect the inherent latency will always argue against remote gaming - especially for the kind of games where you most want extra computing power.
Not necessarily. FPS and perhaps LoL, sure. RPG such as WoW, not really.
Not sure about AR/VR.
If one doesn't have/want a PC workstation with a strong graphics card, and one does have a laptop, why not just a Razer Core or akin device?
Until we can just have those in the device itself. But that is gonna take a while!
These days if you're purchasing a computer the default option is a laptop. You have to have a good reason not to go with a laptop.
Once you plug in a mouse, keyboard, and external screens, a laptop then just becomes clutter. So, I mainly use my laptop for on-the-go such as at university libraries.
I'm considering getting a desktop again but would only get the Retina iMac.
Well, maybe not a 5K display, but 4K should be more than fine.
edit: How little humor do people have, christ. Can't even make a joke. people get triggered too easily.
I have to admit, that I find the touchbar to be a gimmick - but a gimmick with lots of potential. Once Apple has ironed out the current issues, it might become a pretty neat enhancement to the rather static, traditional, physical keyboard.
The dimensions and weight of the new MBP are a huge step forward, indeed. But one can live without it, as 3.02 pounds (1.37kg) is not THAT much of a difference, as compared to 3.48 pounds (1.58kg). I mean yes, you notice the thinness and lightness of the new MBP, no question about that. But believe me, it's not even close to the previous jump (which I won't Google now).
Now for the controversial part: at most 16GB of RAM for the new MBP, really Apple? It almost sounds like a joke. And the CPU, well, I guess Apple is not the one to blame here, since Intel probably is the culprit here, but there really is pretty much no noticeable improvement over the previous generation AT ALL.
USB-C? Yeah, I like it. Don't have any devices that support it, but I can understand that it is the future. Really. But how on earth does Apple think that it is a good idea to just not have Magsafe anymore?! If there is one thing that even Apple haters have considered amazing, it is Magsafe. Now it's gone, and it doesn't look like it's coming back. This makes me sad, as I don't think there is going to be something similar anytime soon...
Now listen Apple. There is this company that you've been ahead of for many years. Yeah, I'm taking about Microsoft. They are BACK. And as much as I dislike their OS, they are improving their hardware AND software much, much faster than you are. If I was you, I would start to at least TRY to be a bit more revolutionary again. Because in 5 years from now, people might find your hardware a scam, and your software not that good anymore.
a software engineer that likes his MacOS and MBP.
The quality has been declining for some time because engineers are being usurped for bigger, money-making endeavors.