The change towards USB C for everything seems like a good long-term move to me. A magsafe adapter for charging would be perfect, but it's hardly a deal breaker for me. I don't mind buying a few adapters. Maybe I'm in the minority. If I'm already carrying around a backpack, what difference do a few adapters make? I'd probably only need an HDMI and USB adapter to interface with most peripherals anyway. When I'm outside of home or work, I don't even use any peripherals.
The 16GB RAM limit is fine for all my needs. My work laptop has 16GB and it can accommodate all my needs just fine. The only thing it falls short on is storage. I find myself having to clean up downloads semi-regularly.
With that being said, I think it's great that linux desktops are getting more love. I dislike the closed nature of macOS, and if I could pay to get an equivalent experience on an open system, I'd gladly do so. Thanks to Hacker News I learned about Elementary OS, which I'm gonna be trying out soon. Vala looks really interesting! I had never heard of it before, and I'm looking forward to having a free weekend to do a deep dive.
I don't know about you, but I don't need to "try out" what 16GB feels like in person.
> The 16GB RAM limit is fine for all my needs. My work laptop has 16GB and it can accommodate all my needs just fine
Will 16GB still be fine for your needs in 2-3 years time (or whatever the tail-end of your upgrade cycle is)? The only reason I can still use a computer from 2010(!) is because I was able to upgrade the RAM; the factory-installed 4GB was more than enough for me then.
In Europe (Dublin) I would have to pay 3750 EUR to get a macbook pro (without kaby lake and with 16gigs of ram)
I bought my 2012 retina model with 16gigs of ram 4 years ago for 2050 EUR
And while the change to USB-C is a step forward did they really need to completely abandon Thunderbolt 2 ports, couldn't they have had a transition with at least one port on the new MBPs?
Yeh I know it's not Apple's way, but forcing to discard a bunch of perfectly usable dongles and buy a new set isn't very customer friendly and that's before asking the question of why do I need to even buy $100 of dongles to connect a $2000 laptop to my keyboard, monitor, network etc.
Then make an option for up to 64GB of RAM and customers would only complain about the price - but pay it because it's the best you can get.
Generally, the only reason to buy a Mac is to run the Mac OS. So, if you like Apple's business model and you want more of that, then keep buying Macs by all means.
I don't get why anyone would want to keep voting for Apple's tyrannical style of doing business though. If you enjoy freedom, do not give your money to Apple and please support the business model that you like.
Personally, I buy all of my Apple products used or refurbished from third parties so that Apple never gets any of my money. If you value freedom but you still need to interact with iOS as a developer for now, while it's still popular (hopefully not forever), buying non-new stuff is the way to go.
The Magsafe is missing - it saved me quite a few times and is very convenient.
Work with a DSLR (SD-Card) and USB-Sticks now requires adapters.
Yes, Apple is moving forward and these incompatibilities are others peoples fault who live in the past and didn't yet move on to an all-Apple ecosystem. But the sad truth is that - while I don't dislike MacOS - I don't need it. I can live with Windows or Linux just as well. I might just go back again.
"Instead of 16GB of RAM as found on the Apple, I configured with 32GB (you can go up to 64GB if needed). By default, it comes with a 6GB Nvidia GTX 1060. The price? Less than $2,000! In other words, the System76 machine with much better specs is less expensive than Apple's."
I'm not an Apple fanboy but since the company I work for provides us with any hardware we want, most of us use Macbook Pros. The thing is, sure, it might have 16GB more RAM but it looks like a huge black brick. I'm not even going to start talking more about design but how can you even compare 2.49kg weight to 1.83kg of the Macbook Pro?
My point, weight unknown, is that Apple are so focussed on thinness they have forgotten that I have "legacy" hardware lying around, still in use. I refuse to spend $ on replacing working external drives, usb sticks and more (home studio sound card for example) simply because some company has decided I need "to get with the times".
Apple want a consumer market in which users consume, consume, consume like tech is a loaf of bread. I'm not buying into that.
On a side note: soon the second hand market will be flooded with perfectly working and underpriced "legacy" hardware.
dell 2016 xps13 still the best laptop in the world.
some builder called system76 thinks their blocky box can compete with it or the macbook pro.
So far they're just getting excited about a spike in traffic. Which doesn't surprise me thanks to all these baity articles, comparing the MBP to various alternatives.
So there's the question. Is this just a side-effect of all the ranty articles, or are people actually 'switching'.
If I could configure a Linux desktop environment to mimic Mac-style keyboard shortcuts across the board, I'd have already switched to Linux full-time a couple years ago when I finally got sick of waiting for Apple to release a new MacBook Air.
I have a Vaio Pro 13, a Gen 3 X1 Carbon, and Dell XPS 13 in my closet as casualties of my failed attempts to switch to Linux. :-(
It means I get to have Modifer-C and Modifier-V and Modifier-Z always do the same things no matter what program I'm in. In Linux-land I always have to do some extra finger gymnastics in the terminal. Because Ctrl-C will kill processes rather than copy text for instance. Ctrl-Z will pause a process and push it to the background rather than undo, etc.
The problem that I had was 1) it still wasn't super consistent in operation (due to the layering of control and interaction between shortcuts for the DE and for the WM), and 2) only a subset of the applications were proper KDE/Qt5 ones, and the most commonly used ones (Firefox & Chrome most decidedly didn't conform).
So in the end, while I got to a 70-80% solution, there were still so many irritating exceptions so often that it almost made the situation worse. Because now I could get some applications to behave the way I wanted, but I'd still be stuck with the default shortcuts in some applications, and I ended up having to be extra vigilant of keeping track of which application I was actively using and whether or not I could use my muscle-memory or not.
KDE is by far the most complete architecture for layering in and overriding keyboard shortcuts in a coherent centralized way relative to everything else I could get my hands on. I really wish that the system for doing things like that was actually an interoperability standard vis-a-vis the Freedesktop.org or something.
Went from mac to ubuntu / thinkpad. I saved money doing this.
Things I wish I had that apple has now.....
All I can say is Welcome
What do you wish you had?
I don't really wish I had anything more, its enough and more importantly is fairly easy to upgrade stuff on board if need be.
It was USD $1,900 including tax and a four-year, next-day, at-home support plan where they will drive to your house and do things like replace the motherboard with no questions asked.
It runs Ubuntu 16.04 without problems. 24 Gb of RAM. 500 Gb SSD. Matte screen (less glare). Three touchpad buttons, which are good for copy/paste in Linux. I can set it up with 10 virtual desktops and minimal animation. Great keyboard. 10+ hours of actual battery life (18 hours advertised).
It was about $1,000 cheaper than a MBP that had less RAM and lower specs, except for the screen resolution. For programming, the 1920x1080 screen on the ThinkPad is enough.
It's the same operating system as my servers, so I can SSH into the servers and be in essentially the same environment that I use on the laptop.
I'm very happy with it.
I'm working on a MacBook Pro with 8 GB of RAM and it constantly swaps to disk. Thank heavens I have an SSD, because otherwise it would have been unusable.
As to your response, dude, this attitude of "you're holding it wrong" is iconic of Apple. I mean I don't know what people are talking about, as Steve's spirit is very much alive at Apple and within its user base and I never liked it.
Don't get me wrong, but if you're doing this kind of serious development, perhaps a laptop isn't the best choice? The iMac 5K takes 64GB these days.
Perhaps I'm just too old and can't see why a laptop is a superior development environment compared to a desktop with decent 27" display, mouse and keyboard... Are you traveling much?
I know it sounds cool in theory, but it just doesn't work, at all. Basically Remote Desktop / VNC is only useful for short sessions and/or debugging, not for work, unless you're in text mode with SSH, vim, screen, tools like that ;-)
I wrote a DOS VNC client in 1999 for my ThinkPad 720 (to access my Sun workstation at work from home), so my mileage varies. ;-)
We had lower screen resolutions and color depths then, but also slower connections. I've used VNC quite a bit over the years but admittedly, for working from home I used ssh (because it was sufficient and I use vi). FWIW, practicality greatly depends on your type of work. Typing text in an IDE and running the occasional debug session should be no problem due to the way screen updates are transmitted, anything graphics-heavy will be frustrating.
MacBook air is my favorite device. Giving presentation, developing small apps while giving presentation, pair it with 32gb i7 fedora desktop for serious projects. This combination is my favorite.
Now it seems they are discontinuing MacBook air , I will be happy with my 8gb air version for next 3-4 year. But after that I don't know what can come close to replacing it. Maybe surface nook.
Sorry for a little bit typo. I meant surface the tablet ones.not book.(book is so pricey)
And if you can't shove everything into The Cloud® because your country is lagging behind on decent internet connections and 1 MBit uplink is the best you can get… well.
Also no doubt people want a bump on the specs from the last generation, even if it isn't needed.
Filling up 16G is pretty easy if you seldomly shut down the PC.
Yes we do. Though 16GB is well enough for that.
I'm not disappointed with the new MBP, I'm disappointed that for the first time in my life 4 years have passed and I can't buy a significantly better machine than my old one. My old MBP has 16gb ram, 256gb SSD, 2.3Ghz quad core (i7). A new MBP would be the same with maybe a slightly faster RAM and a bit faster, but mostly just less hungry CPU architecture.
The GPU is marginally better but there's only so much you can shove in a laptop. Modern GPU monsters are as big as my whole computer.
When I look around for a better laptop (price/performance/weight/battery/everything) I can't find one.
That's what I'm disappointed about.
Twice the speed is a nice upgrade, but only doubling the speed over seven years? I think about a seven year span like 1994-2001 and going from a 486 DX to a Pentium 4 would have been a whole different story.
The primary thing that has been improving since 2012 is the death of spinning platters across the boards (though a lot of sub-$1000 laptops still seem to have them) and larger SSDs in base models.
Of course, for some scenarios newer generation CPUs help tremendously. E.g. AVX2 can be a large improvement if your work relies a lot on SIMD instructions.
So yeah ... I hit all the things that aren't likely to improve soon.
There's a reason the 13" Air was the laptop to buy five years ago. I'd be sad to see it go. Unless Apple manages to release a 13" laptop closer to the £1000 mark, I don't know what I'll buy when my trusty old one stops operating. Perhaps you could drop the retina screen and the dedicated graphics card? Reuse the shell, change the internals. Please.
I have a 2011 MBA (probably the same as yours - MC965D/A w. DE keyboard) and it has its problems: very noisy fan and lackluster display (low resolution). I'd purchase a 12" MacBook instead today.
Slightly off topic but new models from Apple tend have serious issues in terms of reliability. Our office has many new MB Airs and they regularly freeze up with the latest macOS and only power off & power on helps. Another disappointment is the new iPhone 7, not having audio jack, offering zero alternatives to audiofile users to listen to lossless audio on their phone (using the external DAC is a joke). I am not sure where Apple is headed nowadays but it seems it is not for me anymore. I am going to use iPhone 6s until it breaks down and move over to a different platform. If Apple does not get their shit together with MPB I will do the same as well.
Apple is not competing against bulky, gamer-style laptops. For a thin laptop, the new mbp is extremely powerful.
Even if the fully upgraded, 15 inches mbp is sold at an astonishing €4999. Well, it's company's expense, right? :)
But that makes me wonder: why didn't they make the 12" macbook a macbook air, make the new 13" and 15" macbooks, and then come out with the slightly thicker, more powerful pro 15"... and maybe 13"
Adobe is too comfortable. They have no reason to fix their software which is basically some of the worst software I have tried to use professionally. It's so bad that the reason I don't use Lightroom and Photoshop is not because of the subscription based pricing of Adobe CC, but because that even though Lightroom and Photoshop is more powerful than say Pixelmator, Gimp, Inkscape, Sketch, (Apple) Photos, Affinity Photos, and what have we, the rest of the software - and by that I mean the windows, the buttons, the settings, basically the UI and UX - everything except for the actual algorithms that alters your photos/videos/graphics - is awful. Complete shit. Oh, and don't get me started on the the Adobe update thing that sits and runs in the background of your Mac constantly which you have to install Photoshop and the rest of the family through.
Until a real contender threatens Adobe, they won't do anything about it because right now they can ship complete bullshit that runs on both Mac and Windows and make a lot of money doing that terrible job, which satisfies them because they can keep more money themself instead of on people that could make their products better.
Please, Adobe, make your software great again, and make it run on all the platforms. Right now it's utter crap. Fix it!
Until the alternatives to Adobe products satisfies the professionals, Adobe will not have any reason to wipe up their crapware and instead release quality software, unfortunately.
Never going to happen, there is no lucrative market on Linux for these kind of tools, Adobe isn't going invest millions for a handful of potential users. Even smaller players don't bother with Linux. MacOS is still where the money is for tools for creatives.
Another problem is that a lot of Linux-related communities are very hostile towards proprietary software, let alone proprietary software with DRM that requires a subscription. So, they will run into anything from unwillingness to help with problems in base libraries to people who will sue them to show that they violated the GPL in some way.
Adobe will not go there unless they absolutely have to.
This is often said, but rarely true; if you standardise on the latest Ubuntu LTS for example, other distros will be able to provide packages to make the app work there, see i.e. Steam or Swift.
> Another problem is that a lot of Linux-related communities are very hostile towards proprietary software, let alone proprietary software with DRM that requires a subscription. So, they will run into anything from unwillingness to help with problems in base libraries to people who will sue them to show that they violated the GPL in some way.
Again, not really true, see i.e. JetBrains, which is rather popular on Linux.
Also the smear campaign around the GPL is getting rather old; it's simple, adhere to the license and you'll be fine.
Adobe, Microsoft etc. also requires you to adhere to their license. Why is that fine, but complying with the GPL as per wishes of an author of software you're making use of, why is that not fine?
DRM is in it self hostile to the user. Never seen anyone against subscription based software or willingness to pay for good software in those Linux-related communities that you describe. If anything, in those communities people wouldn't pirate you're software as much as Windowse users. In my experience Linux users are more understanding that making good software is hard work and they appreciate it more.
Why is okay for Adobe suing people for license violation and not vice versa?
http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade-stealth $US999 with QHD + touch, 128GB SSD, Intel 620, 1.3kg
http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade $2099 with QHD + touch, 256GB SSD, nVidia 1060, 1.9kg
Plus Thunderbolt 3, USB 3.0, HDMI.
And a priceless escape key.
- Don't just look at the initial outlay that gets you on the Apple ladder : Macs also have a much, much better resale value than PCs, even years later. It's incremental and relatively painless if you upgrade regularly.
- You're a human, your peace of mind matters and your time isn't free. Buy stuff that brings you joy or at a minimum, stuff that doesn't feel like death by a thousand cuts day after day. And you might not recognize that before you've tried a Mac, seriously (I used to be a hardcore desktop Linux guy until 2004)
As someone who briefly lost faith in Apple last year, then went ahead and built a Hackintosh ("why not?"), I can't stress the second point nearly enough.
My high end 32GB 4Ghz Core i7 box with Thunderbolt and a 32" screen cost me about 25% less than a top of the line iMac that satisfies the same use cases. Great.
The money I saved is roughly what I make in 1-2 days, but I've spent at least a dozen evenings so far researching / troubleshooting / preparing for OS upgrades. Plus I need to reboot the box once after each cold boot before it will see my TB devices and I can play music on my audio interface. Great. Not to mention the floor/desk space compared to an iMac.
The tinkering was fun at times, I don't completely regret trying, but frankly life is too short : guess who's going back to the Mac next time ?
Yes, most things "just work". But if something just doesn't quite work in the way you want it to, you often have to move heaven and earth to hack around the problem, maybe even "accepting" that there's nothing you can do, and constantly suffer that irritation every time you butt up against it.
Personally, I have always preferred having my environment "just-so". After suffering constant little niggles when I'm forced to use MacOS or Windows, it's wonderfully refreshing to come home to my configured linux system.
It was super easy to install, took less than an hour, and it included the window manager with the install package. I have had no problems at all. ( I first tried the KDE window manager but found Gnome less buggy IMO)
Highly recommend it.
Especially with this addon I found called conky which provides real time hardware stats.
BTW, if you do this move, give Xubuntu a go. Ever since Unity and GNOME 3, XFCE has managed the elusive trick of not fucking up and not inflicting an exercise in gratuitous architecture astronautics on the end user. You might think that sounds easy and straightforward not to do, but evidently it's eluded all of KDE, GNOME and Canonical.
Of course, this is quite disingenuous, because it elides a lot of other aspects:
* The Oryx Pro is 0.7kg heavier (it's almost a MacBook 12" heavier).
* Depending on the model 0.9 to 1.3cm thicker. It's also wider and deeper.
* The new MacBook Pro has a wide gamut display. The Oryx Pro doesn't. Moreover the Oryx Pro does not have a retina display (but 1920 × 1080).
* Apparently, the battery life of an Oryx Pro is about 2 hours . The MacBook Pro lasts 10 hour during active use. I expect that for most laptop users a two hour battery life is a deal-breaker.
* The new MacBook Pro has the Touch Bar, which may be a nice feature (it's too early to tell) and definitely adds a lot of cost to the BOM.
Hardware is not only about the CPU/GPU/Memory. We could produce 5kg laptops with nVidia Teslas and server-grade Xeon CPUs. It could possibly be done cheaper than the highest spec'ed MacBook Pro. But as a laptop it would be pretty useless to almost anyone.
Moreover, for the regular MacBook user (as opposed to the tech crowd) I expect that good Chromebooks are a far more serious threat than Ubuntu or System 76.
My laptop occasionally sounds like a plane taking off.
I do stuff on Unreal occasionally and for that I have a dedicated computer that is good enough to handle the IDE. Can I run this on MacPro from 2013 - sure - but the experience is not great and I doubt there is any laptop out there that will ever be good enough in terms of energy efficiency, battery life and portability to handle Unreal in all of its glory.
Yes the new MacPros are on par with the last generation but not so much. We have pretty performant hardware that sits mostly underutilized. As soon as you start pumping code on a low-performant microcontroller you will know what I mean. Previous generation of programmers were doing exactly this - making the best of the hardware that was available to them.
If you don't want that much graphic power the Stealth version is the way to go. Way cheaper and with 9 to 10 hours of battery.
I start to really like Razor here and I may buy one rather than the new MacBook. The ice on the cake with these 2 laptops is the external GPU they do, the Razor Core, giving you all the power of a desktop PC at home while using the same computer. No need to buy a laptop And a desktop for home. No need to do transfer and sync all the time. Just your laptop and the Core.
You can add more RAM, you can get a choice of screens ( 1080p or UHD ) you get a proper GPU ( if you want ) and you pay less.
And you can use Windows or Linux. Or both.
All I want to know is the build quality, but I cannot find any store to try them at.
Two finger scroll, tap to click etc. It is fast and smooth.
However, I don't need 32GB RAM enough for that to be a deciding factor between eg. a Dell XPS 15 and the new MBP 15".
The missing piece is widespread Vulkan support. That will turn the tides in favor of Linux.
For anyone trying this, remember to enable QuickEdit Mode under the command prompt's properties.
I don't recall what all the defaults were, but I do have everything checked now (except use Legacy Mode)
Alternatively to window's cmd prompt: https://conemu.github.io/en/BashOnWindows.html
Imagine a world where you could truly chose any OS and run your favourite/needed software on it. I'd be on linux or bsd too.
you could also install xen so both your home-ci/compilation beast and games os is available at all times.