Airbnb wants to have its cake and eat it too, on the one hand not to own the premises and the goods stored in there but to pretend that they own it and set the rules about who can and can't come there.
Nobody is going to admit to discrimination, even if they do agree, people will come up with alternative reasons for not allowing the people they do not wish to stay in their private homes, so nothing will change but Airbnb will look good.
After all, what proof will they use to tell a host they are discriminating.
If Airbnb wants to be able to dictate the terms at that level they should build a nice large building with a front desk with people they employ and a bunch of rooms they let out aka a hotel.
Correct. That's the whole point.
It's basically just a political/marketing move the were probably forced to take.
Nothing will change.
If Airbnb were a local chamber of commerce making bookings for bed and breakfast places, it might be valid that they're just a booking office.
But they're a major source of accommodations in large cities. As such they have to at least pretend to abide by those cities' antidiscrimination regulations. This policy is a way to do that without customizing the rules for each jurisdiction.
People are free to use less controversial ways to offer their property for short term rent. I do that, and not because I discriminate (I don't), but because I want to keep a little bit more wealth in my community rather than sending it all to Sand Hill Road.
So it seems like this commitment is actually going past what the law says.
I would never rent our my place so maybe I am not the target audience. But this would lower my odds even more. If I own the place, I want to discriminate on who stays there.
"The general rule is that an individual is an independent contractor if the payer has the right to control or direct only the result of the work and not what will be done and how it will be done." IRS
To your point, it is somewhat more complicated than that, and the IRS used to have a 20 factor test (now an 11 factor test) but it can basically be boiled down to: if AirBNB can specify HOW the services shall be rendered in detail, instead of simply the results or when they will be delivered, then the IRS can re-classify those contractors as employees.
In practice, and even though I think AirBNB is not in the moral right place here, I can't imagine IRS rules being applied in circumstances like this (i.e., where a contractor is actually the one doing the selling in someone else's marketplace.) In other words, AirBNB, Amazon, or Ebay vendors can sell things according to the marketplace's strict rules (which specify HOW) without being re-classified. If I was AirBNB, I'd argue that I was the marketplace and not the merchant of record for the items (e.g. insert the seller name into the credit card receipt). This is a tricky thing, though.. who is liable for a harmful item sold at Walmart -- Walmart, the manufacturer, or both? We all know the answer to that.
IANAL and I'd appreciate correction or expansion from tax/employment law lawyers.
Flaunt the law, then hide behind it when it suits them.
Since AirBnB is supposedly sharing...I don't see how that's different from getting roommates. They would have to reclassify their whole stance on being about "sharing economy" and admit they are more for renting homes than sharing homes, and not allow of renting out a hoise while the owner also lives there.
While they are at it, they can get Uber to reclassify themselves as a taxi company too.
This knife cuts both ways.
"If you cancel your account as a guest, any future reservations you have will be refunded according to the hosts' cancellation policy."
So, if you don't agree to this demand by AirBnB that wasn't on the table when you agreed to your booking, then you just lose your money.
If AirBnB was fair about this then it would let the user off the hook and pay out any cancellation fees/compensation out of its own funds. It's not like many people aren't going to agree anyway.
Yes indeed, Airbnb can do what they want with their property, namely their website and business, and their customers property is not their business.
> if you don't like it then they even outline what you can do in the linked article.
Yes, you can ignore it, or you can move to a competitor and so on. Airbnb simply is not in a position to force anybody to accept guests they do not want to entertain for whatever reason, that's the way they set things up because that is the easiest for them. To now retro-fit a requirement that you can't discriminate is there to look good, not for you to stop discriminating. The only way they could enforce that is by forcing Airbnb hosts to accept all guests without the ability to refuse any of them and that will never happen.
They offer a service with terms, you either accept those terms or you don't no one is forcing you to use their service.
On the matter of enforcement, I agree this would be near impossible to enforce in all but the most obvious of cases of discrimination.
This is a typical case of CYA.
It's improper and intolerant of them to make these kinds of demands. In fact, it's a form of totalitarianism to not do business with anyone who doesn't think exactly like us.
As an airbnb guest, I'm respectful of the fact that I'm a guest in someone's home. Their home, their rules. It seems like airbnb is trying to change that dynamic. Now, anyone who wants to be a rude guest can complain about unspecified group think violations. Sad.
I don't see a problem when a company says "if you're a racist you're not allowed to use our service".
> I agree to treat everyone in the Airbnb community—regardless of their race, religion, national origin, ethnicity, disability, sex, gender identity, sexual orientation, or age—with respect, and without judgment or bias.
This requirement cuts both ways. A woman who fears rape cannot prevent a young man from staying in her apartment. A Jew or black must accept someone into their home who looks like a skinhead. Someone from the Ukraine must allow a Russian to stay with them, even in spite of the ongoing conflicts. A host living in a 3rd floor walk-up must allow a guest in a wheelchair.
I would never have a reason to refuse someone for these reasons, but that in itself is a privileged position to be in. This policy doesn't only protect the vulnerable; it also puts the vulnerable at risk.
I don't see the problem with a company just being tolerant.
For Germany, start with http://www.zwischenmiete.de . Cheaper, better, less obnoxious than AirBnB. Good riddance.
That's why this gets people's bristles up, because it reeks of the "reverse racism isn't real" and "racism requires structural oppression" dogma that has jumped the gap from post modern academia to tech by way of HR departments, always enforced by carefully worded but unmistakably our-way-or-the-highway totalism. If someone wants to be an arbiter of what is right without considering what happens when they are wrong, it's not justice they're after.
Outside of the Anglo Saxon sphere, this isn't such a big issue... Yet.
Similarly, here you are speaking about your disdain for calling someone racist, and no one's saying you're trying to excuse your own racism for it. Where is this sentiment coming from?
I literally don't see people's bristles up because of "dogma". It's mostly you using his very strong language and then throwing up very significant claims without evidence, such as that post modern academia has invaded tech with totalism circulated around the supposedly untrue ideation that reverse racism isn't a thing and that racism involves structural discrimination. A large chunk of this thread is talking about how Airbnb is toeing the line between ownership of property (i.e. deciding what can be done with it) and business decision (i.e. refusing to allow your services to be used by those who discriminate).
Testers. That's partially how the government got evidence to sue Trump in the 1970s for housing discrimination.
And quite alot of people come as 2nd guest so I have zero idea what even their name is.
Not to mention, as a black airbnb host, minority guests were pretty rare. Had a few Asians and one black guy.
I'm curious what the techniques are, especially with regards to sexuality? Or do you mean ask everyone when setting up their profile?
Sample auditing and enforcement with financial penalties isn't exactly an unknown approach for policies, so it seems like its a valid possible approach here.
without any attempt at enforcement, it would see that the policy would have limited impact. If people get the idea that it might be enforced, they may well be more inclined to take it seriously.
So, that would be successful enforcement of the policy.
Or did you think they came up with this because they thought it was a good idea to tell people who they can invite into their homes?
As to your final question, why so cynical? I imagine Airbnb came up with this when they recognized that discriminatory behavior by hosts was a serious problem. I doubt that Airbnb are secretly in favor of racism and doing this for some other reason.
Past and present Airbnb behavior is - to use light terms - less than ethical.
> I imagine Airbnb came up with this when they recognized that discriminatory behavior by hosts was a serious problem.
But they only chose to act when it became a matter of negative press.
> I doubt that Airbnb are secretly in favor of racism and doing this for some other reason.
They don't have to be 'secretly in favor of it' for them to condone it because it affects their bottom line one way or the other, presumably they've done the math and they now figure that further run-ins with the press and the law would work against them.
Really, when it comes to the likes of Airbnb, Uber, Facebook and so on I've over time come to realize that they are deeply un-ethical companies that couldn't care less about what the 'right' thing to do is, they just want to maintain their leadership position and to make as much money as possible. Ethics mean nothing to them.
Right, so you have no specific knowledge of what is going on here. You just have a general policy of assuming the worst. Aka cynicism.
It's cynicism when applied to companies about which you have no datapoints, we have plenty of datapoints about those three mentioned above.
Airbnb would have to significantly change their ways before I would be ready to see them as an ethical operator, I've outlined two things they could do to really combat racism, but I'll bet you they will never do this because it would cut into their bottom line.
See, being an ethical company always cuts into the bottom line, there is almost always more money to be made by being unethical.
I looked through your recent comments but couldn’t see any practical suggestions. Forcing hosts to accept all bookings would prevent legitimate instances of discrimination. (There are plenty of legitimate reasons why you may not want to rent your room to a particular person. Reasons based on their gender, nationality, race, etc. are of course not among these.)
It's pretty common for women not to want to rent out their room to men, the new policy would make that impossible.
People make their decisions about who to leave their private property, their home and the bed they sleep in based on their own personal criteria, being allowed to do so is a plus, not a minus. If that also enables racism then you could argue the model is broken but not that 'racism is such a large problem that we will now also stop people from having control over who gets to stay in their property'.
If you are upset with Airbnb because you’re in favor of hosts being allowed to racially discriminate, you could have saved a lot of confusion by just saying so.
For my part, I think that you very obviously can argue that racism is such a large problem that it’s appropriate for Airbnb to exercise some element of control over the host’s decision making process. That is the argument that many people have been making, and Airbnb appears to have accepted the argument.
By the way, it is very unclear from your range of posts what you actually want Airbnb to do. In some places you appear to be suggesting that Airbnb should exercise more control over hosts that they are at present (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12824223). But here you seem to be complaining that they are attempting to exert any degree of control whatsoever.
A 'middle ground' is nothing but a fig-leaf.
See, no inconsistency, both solutions are going to be clear for all users and hosts. In the first case some discrimination may happen and that will likely get Airbnb in trouble with the authorities in some places and may give them bad press in others, or they can take the moral high ground and really accept everybody without making any illusions about who is in control of the premises.
Anything in between is simply window dressing and will not change the situation in a significant way.
Anyway, I feel like I'm repeating myself so I'll leave it at that.
I don't really understand your reasons for objecting to a middle ground, or why you are so convinced that you know Airbnb's precise motivations for going this route, so I guess we'll leave it at that.
But I'd also like to point out that if the middle ground is just "window dressing" and "won't change anything", and if you were ok with the previous situation where hosts could discriminate for any reason (possibly limited by the law in some instances), then there is really no reason to object, since your own position is that everything will continue on exactly as it did before this policy was put in place!
This whole affair is simply to avoid some bad press, not to make any sweeing changes in Airbnb policies. Now they can point to their TOS and say 'see, it wasn't us', kick out the occasional host that makes them a target for bad press and continue business as usual.
A real change would be to:
(1) force hosts to accept all guests, without any kind of ability on the part of the host to decline guests
(2) to not show the guest details until the person shows up to receive the key.
Anything short of that is simply window dressing.
Now ever if your statistics were true (I doubt you properly measured that) it simply doesn't matter. Even if 90% of people from some region are noisy at night that doesn't justify rejecting the other 10%.
I have no statistics but we can safely assume that 30 years of experience have taught the camping managers what works and what doesn't.
I think it was in their right to decide who comes in and who doesn't.
I'm Italian and if you won't let me into your crystal shop because I wave too much my hands when I talk and you're afraid I'll break something (I personally don't wave hands), I'll understand. I will be angry sure, but not with you: with the other hand waving italians.
Are you sure you wouldn't be annoyed if this actually happened? I find that a bit difficult to believe. Say, you walk into a cafe and politely order an espresso, and then the owner kicks you out because you're Italian.
I don't hate or discriminate against Indians, but I despise how they view and treat women in their culture.
Again, I guess A should probably prevail and the Internet should take care of matching who I am with the hosts happy to have me.
"regardless of their race, religion, national origin, ethnicity, disability, sex, gender identity, sexual orientation, or age"
We also manage bookings for apartments on the beach and openly write "Apartment for families. Groups of young people up to 30 years are not accepted." in Airbnb and other portals.
So, is Airbnb saying we'll be forced to accept noisy and unruly drunk groups who will probably bring drugs and extra friends in the middle of the night damaging the newly build apartments?
This just makes no sense.
So it will be either:
- This is not real, just some facade for political correctness
- We'll get customers from other portals
avoid any concentration of brits, Germans and Dutch
Make an interesting juxtaposition. You might want to think about that.
Discrimination based on skin color seems self evidently bad, but discrimination based on culture and values seems not just not bad, but actively good!
Why should i associate with someone who regards theft as okay? Why would i want to hire someone who thinks that disagreements should be solved with yelling or fistfights?
Not an easy business to be in, but sometimes you don't have a choice.
I'm not saying AirBnB has moved that much, but maybe you mean regressive left, though
That's basically the whole point of liberalism. You're free to be someone that pisses me off.
Most people are not smart enough for a libertarian world they get swayed by propaganda too easily and are unable to judge risk correctly. It's more efficient to have technocrats guide the public and protect them from short sighted mistakes and evil corporations. Most people don't even understand the difference between a percentage point and a percent and these same people, if left to their own devices, create hellish cities and countries. If we were all intelligent technocrats libertarianism (in the minarchist sense) would still be wrong, but it wouldn't fail so hilariously since we'd all have contracts for nearly everything, but as it stands now it's completely unrealistic to imagine a Gary Johnson United States.
Why do we make such a big deal about "discrimination?" It's built into who we are as people.
If your subconscious discrimination is constantly being pointed out through various channels, it starts causing you to question it. Obviously it's slow and might take generations, but that's the nature of the process. I will give you a personal example - I grew up in a country where making fun of gay/transgender people is very common. So subconsciously I judged and probably discriminated against gay/transgender people. When I moved to California and I heard and saw the messages of marriage equality I started to question my subconscious. Now I'm at the point where watching movies from my home country makes me cringe every time a crass gay joke gets cracked.
1) School says they won't accept your daughter, but hey it's not a big deal according to you
2) Neighborhood won't let you buy a house you like because they don't like your wife's skin color, but hey it's not a big deal
3) You are getting paid less at work and skipped for promotion in favor of Elmud because he is one of them and you are not, but hey it's not a big deal
Discrimination IS NOT ok. It IS NOT built into us. It is an acquired taste. Bad taste. First we accept the issue then we work on fixing it.
Nonetheless, I don't think this is important for your main point. We have been working around our suboptimal innate tendencies for millennia.
It is acquired. My theory is that all discrimination stems from sexual fear, but I cannot prove this so I'll leave the argument for another day.
I went to kindergarten in a super mixed school: whites, asians, blacks in a country where 99% of the population is black. My attitude towards whites (asians were considered white as well) was always different from my friends who never dealt with whites let alone have white friends.
I went to Christian schools from kindergarten all the way to high school in a country where 95% of the population is Muslim. My point of view towards Christians was different to some extent.
I dated Whites, Middle Easterns, Blacks, lived with Chinese, Middle Eastern and a White person at some point in my life. My attitude towards people of different color is different from some of my friends who never spent much time with similar folks.
What creates discrimination is just the world view we create for ourselves based on our surrounding.
It says that you fund counter-culture movements as much as possible for them to go completely full-scale. Examples:
Black lives matter (which was a honest one at first) then went full kamikaze.
Let's bring 1M+ syrians, what could go wrong (when Albania was in ~civil-unrest in 1997 all borders closed).
Multiculturalism is ok friend. All cultures are equal (they're not, many suck, like roma example that I gave in another comment).
Also, it's somewhat OK to discriminate against behavior that can be changed. So businesses are OK to be discriminated against, they are after all human creation. But we shouldn't discriminate on the basis of race or sex or ethnicity, because these are impossible to change.
However, let's say for argument sake I do want to rent my extra bedroom out. What if I don't want rent to some weirdo crust punk? I wouldn't feel like my children are safe. I would probably only rent out to single professionals only.
I guess Airbnb is not a good fit for hypothetical people like me.
I've personally experienced that some hosts refuse to rent to unmarried couples. It was inconvenient and silly, but perfectly legal and nearly harmless (unless their actual problem was that only one of us was white, but who can say).
You have a right to pick and choose who you want in your home, even if you don't like LGBT folks, African Americans, caucassions, whatever.
But the sharing economy isn't about sharing. It's about business platforms that monetize slack capacity of different resources.
So you're operating a business now (yes, really). And a business can't discriminate against a protected class. And AirBnB wants to portray an aura of community, so instead of saying "you can't legally discriminate; don't or we'll kick you off the platform" it's the proverbial "can we not all get along?; you must to continue on the platform"
Everyone will agree to this except a few folks who want to make a point, and those people who were discriminating before will continue to do so.
Silicon Valley needs to learn that scolding, lynching, patronizing people online isn't going to fix systemic socioeconomic issues. Those take decades to show positive change, and require far more effort than the community outreach resources of a few companies in the tech industry.
My comment should've been more specific. In a non-business setting, you can pick and choose who is in your home. Not when renting the entire premises out to someone. AirBnB tries to portray its transactions as community when it's really just a business, with the rules and regs that go with that (anti-discrimination).
If you are renting a place outright, then you cannot.
So in that aspect you are allowed to do that.
You don't if you are renting your home. Whether Airbnb hosts legally classify as renters is something that each state is dealing with. Airbnb is choosing to get ahead of the issue by adding this requirement.
The future is funny. That might be considered discrimination?
In a lot of cases this is due to the host's religious beliefs. In that case, who is discriminating against who?
The actual answer is, it depends entirely on their membership of protected classes - and if they are a member of such a class, then that fact that your discrimination against them was on grounds of weirdness, crustiness, or punkiness, won't protect you from accusations of racism or whatever.
This isn't really "non discrimination", this is a vague non binding statement. The FAQ doesn't even says what happens when that "commitment" is broken. Just that you have to accept it. So the title here is misleading.
Seems pretty clear: You can't discriminate, if you do we terminate your account at our discretion.
Edit: I read the question only in the narrow sense of "what if you refuse to accept the new policy" v.s. "what if you break the policy once you accept it?".
The answer to the latter seems to be:
1. You have to agree to Airbnb's TOS to use their site: https://www.airbnb.com/terms
2. Section 24.C ("Termination for breach, suspension and other measures") refers to section 14 ("User Conduct") which says you can't violate the "Policies and Community Guidelines" which links to https://www.airbnb.com/help/topic/250/terms---policies
3. That links to their nondiscrimination policy (https://www.airbnb.com/help/topic/533/nondiscrimination), which seems to be the longer legalese version of what the linked blogpost is a tl;dr of.
It doesn't explain what happens if one accepts the commitment and still discriminates.
> Seems pretty clear: You can't discriminate, if you do we terminate your account at our discretion.
That's not what the text says. The text basically says :
"If you don't answer Yes to the commitment, we will terminates your account".
It doesn't say
"if you actually do discriminate we will terminates your account"
Seems pretty clear what that FAQ doesn't say. It says nothing about what Airbnb will do if an host or guest discriminates.
What's clear is that if you press "no" on the popup, they'll terminate your account.
What will happen if you press "yes" and then continue to discriminate however you like? My guess: not much.
Because here's why this happens: people start declining to certain others based on experience. Some hear about others experience and don't want to even go down that road in the first place.
Modern "PC" way of thinking caters to the minorities. Rights, rights, rights and so on. Businesses market on that. Media gets clicks and views based on that. But the modern western societies have forgotten that rights are only one side of the coin, there have to be RESPONSIBILITIES too.
Responsibilities are harder, long term gratification and can cause non happy feelings. But no one can enforce rights without them, or we get to see the extreme effects as we do now.
An Indian startup called OyoRooms has a much better solution to this problem.
As someone who lived in socialism it's hilarious to see how socialist values are now being marketed and sold as a business, without wanting to be responsible for it by the company who sells the idea.
I use airbnb to see how locals live, when they wake up, how they get to work, what kind of breakfast they eat ect.
The few times I've tried it, the host was either non Internet-savvy or seemed to have regretted the too low a price they set, cancelling and putting the place back in the market for a higher price.
Airbnb has an instant book feature that obviates this process
If they have a lot of reviews it's easy to see but if (as is often the case) they don't then you don't know until they reject your booking. And, even then, it isn't so clear cut.
For some background.
At the end of the day, despite the BS line that AirBnB gives about people sharing their homes, the majority of the hosts are operating a small business, and one that's beholden to a single provider for business. There will be hosts that lose 100% of their income stream because of this and not all of them will be the problem hosts that are causing this controversy. Innocent hosts who just happen to have accidentally chosen incorrectly a few times will get caught. Or, more likely, hosts will live in fear of being accused and start discriminating in favor of minorities.
That's why this is worded the way it is.
If you’re in the business of providing a service to people you shouldn’t be discriminating against them on any grounds apart from ability to pay, which is not an issue on the Airbnb platform.
By forcing contracts onto the host and removing the ability of the host to edit and negotiate the contract it can be argued in a British court that Airbnb is in fact renting from the host, and that any legal infractions or damages in subsequent sublets of that rented space are AirBnB's responsibility.
I don't have a copy of the hosts contract, but the items to watch out for are:
- anything preventing the host from contacting guests after the let
- anything preventing the host from letting the space elsewhere in between Airbnb lets
- inability of the host to impose legally binding requirements on the guests
- anything preventing the host from pursuing legal action against guests (eg, forcing the use of arbitration)
Without three of the four I would be unlikely to challenge it personally. Though two not including the third might be enough.
It is inevitable that some renters will bring racist or xenophobic or other prejudices to the table when they decide who to rent their homes to. But there will be a whole range of positive and negative preferences about the type of person one wants to stay in one's home, many of which many not be motivated by racism or xenophobia, but by personal judgments about who one is prepared to open one's home to.
Airbnb is trying to micro-manage how people exercise their judgment about who is a good fit for their home. They are trying to force people to trust everyone equally or to feel equally well-disposed toward all potential renters, as a condition for using their service. They may have the LEGAL right to do this, but it will be impossible in many cases to enforce with any reliability.
Besides the notorious difficulty of enforcing this sort of discrimination edict without high levels of inteference and second-guessing of complex judgments, in my view, the new policy is likely to undermine, not promote, greater trust and respect betweeen renters and landlords, by fostering a more adversarial culture in Airbnb homes, where any refusal to rent is met with an air of suspicion and resentment and exclusion, as though opening your home to someone (even for money) was not a delicate matter.
Cultural change and reform comes through education and experience. Airbnb permits people to be exposed to different cultures and values by opening up their home to strangers (and receiving payment in return).
But I see no reason why Airbnd should appoint itself a sort of "moral policeman" to ensure that all renters are equally open to different cultures and communities. That kind of openness can be encouraged but it is quite absurd to think that it can be truly fostered in a positive way by getting people to tick a "community commitment" box before renting out their homes.
In fact, I would argue that this new "community commitment" could be considered ethically dubious at best, since it will provide a strong reason to people who rely on Airbnb but wish to exercise their own judgment about who stays in their home to lie on the website. Furthermore, the effort to get people to formally "commit" to what is essentially an ethical attitude in a quasi-contractual way, as a condition for using this type of renting "middle man" is an extraordinary act of over-reach, it seems to me, insofar as it essentially means that Airbnb feel they can appoint themselves the arbiter and judge of people's private motives and prejudices, whether through some formal declaration on their part, or through a statistical analysis of their behaviour.
Which raises the question, if Airbnb is worried about unjust discrimination in society at large, why does it think that setting itself up as a sort of "thought police" for its customers is a wise move? How can they not anticipat the inevitable resistance and backlash that will unleash, and its almost certain failure in practice to reform people's behaviour and attitudes (tick the box and move on)? And what does this sort of policy tell us about the type of authority that a middle man THINKS he has over his clients and their values, preferences, and lifestyles choices?
Is there some sort of "saviour" complex going on here, where a company thinks they must engage in an aggressive campaign to control their users' mindsets and micromanage their own decisions about who to rent their homes to? Or is the new Airbnb policy, as some have suggested, just a response to some legal or social pressures to "look good and inclusive"?
Whatever the answer to these questions, it strikes me that setting aside the legality of this new policy, the level of micromanagement and control it extends into clients' USE of the service and indeed into their values and attitudes regarding hosting people in their home, suggests a lack of trust in people's goodness and an unwillingness to take risks on people's goodness, to give them reasonable discretion to exercise their own judgments in the sphere of their own home (even if it is being rented out for profit).
Indeed, this sort of campaign, which comes close to being a sort of indirect "mind control," seems to bespeak an impatience with the messiness of human life and human relationships, and of course impatience with idiosyncratic and unstructured nature of the motives of people who rent out their own homes. Sometimes, in order to foster or preserve an atmosphere of trust and respect in general, you have to allow within a system for the possibility that some people will exercise bad or unfair judgments, or treat some people without the full respect they deserve. Making a rule to compel everyone to be respectful is not always the best way to foster a culture of respect.
Turning a modest facilitating service into a crusade for full inclusion and a change in cultural mindsets completely changes the nature of the Airbnb service, bringing it into the zone of a sort of "mind police" whose edicts will frequently be impossible to enforce.
It is an excellent example of the trend in our society to attempt to control from on high, with relatively crude regulations, the delicate flow of human relationships and attitudes between different groups, ethnicities, value identifications, religions, etc.
To be clear, I am not advocating racisms or invidious discrimination, but I am suggesting that (a) some degree of discrimination and profiling is a fact of life especially in the business of renting out one's own home, and it is not necessarily invidious, especially in situations of sparse information; and (b) to the extent that people do engage in invidious forms of discrimination when they rent out their homes, Airbnb is certainly not the appropriate entity to be rooting this out systematically - education and cultural reform must be carried out by winning over people's hearts and minds, and this work is already being done by the mere fact of cultural exchange permitted by the Airbnb network. Why spoil that work by implementing a policy that is likely to foster distrust, suspicion, and resentment among renters and proprietors?
I discriminate against people based on their national origin AMA.
0 - I look at your profile with positive a priori (USA, China, Russia - best of the best are Japanese and Koreans)
1 - I look at your profile with a prejudiced view, I will default on declining your request (Algeria, Tunisia, Maroc and the whole of North-Africa; Germans accessarily)
2 - There is no way. I auto-decline. (France but ancestry from North-Africa) (unless you got stellar reviews and don't look like you're muslim anymore).
- Why?: I replied to that in another comment but basically a mix of past bad experience, of knowing the culture and mainstream mindset of the people of those countries and growing tired of getting asked intrusive questions about if I practice islam.
That's because a) past history w. poor experiences b) I know too well they become overconfident when they see you are from there too c) generally speaking, they left my property in pretty bad state, with stuff that are broken or very dirty.
Oh and they always ask you if you do the ramadan and stuff like that. I will continue to do so and Airbnb has no way to prevent me from doing that.
Can you just continue to refuse to rent to Tunisians and Moroccans? Does AirBnB have any way to detect that?
Does AirBnB have recourse against guests who leave the apartment trashed? Insurance, etc.? I wouldn't rent to people who would trash my place, either.
Basically you feast all day and eat big at night and in the morning. And best case they look at you funny and take a moralistic tone about your haram behavior and worst case, well there is a lot of different worst case scenario when it comes to those folks. I don't want them to leave me a bad review because they are bitter about my "haram" behavior
>Does AirBnB have recourse against guests who leave the apartment trashed?
They do but I would rather not go through that, plus it is a hassle and I don't want to invest more time than I already do
>Does AirBnB have any way to detect that?
I don't know... but Paris is Paris. AirBnb is convenient but I won't have trouble finding an alternative if I have to
I guess you meant that you fast during the day and feast at night.
They need to ensure that the host cannot see anything that can identify a user's race, ethnicity, age, etc. No photos, no names, and a moderated comments and rating system. Until they do that they are placing their profits above principle.
Also, many guest like to pick super obscured photos or mixed group photos. I understand why hosts do it but not why customers.
I barely have an idea what many of my guests look like. Some don't even have headshots
You can be skeptical for your safety on Airbnb but it wouldn't be empirical.
Edit: I welcome you to show your counter examples.
Everyone that's racist thinks it's because they are justified by the behavior of the ethnic group they are racist again. It's always been that way.
This has nothing to do with blacks at all.