The touch bar looks very cool to me. I think it's a great idea that will get copied (poorly) by other laptop manufacturers in a year or two.
A lot of good ideas look bad at first. Remember the eternal warning of CmdrTaco's iPod review. Not that the touch bar must be good because it's getting panned now... just saying, I'd give it some time. UI changes are always controversial. Quite a lot of people swore in 2007 that they'd never give up a hardware smartphone keyboard. The first Droid with the slide-out keyboard got a lot of praise. Ultimately, though, we can see where the phone market went.
Whatever happened to landscape slide-out keyboards...
they already went back on it because it wasnt apple quality. apple always waits until its refined, but you cant give them credit for creating the idea.
One reason I think that, is the functionality that vendors are writing for Apple's touch bar. If Adobe and Microsoft create UI elements for the bar on Apple, they could pretty easily port that to a Windows machine with a touch bar.
Personally, I think the Macbook Pro 2012 was a beautiful, functional beast and since then it's been just going downhill.
On a related note, yesterday's Microsoft Launch made me think about upgrading my home rig after a long time! :)
I'm just done. I want to play my online games while I'm traveling for work. So when this late 2013 15" MacBook Pro falls out of Apple Care next year, I'll probably start looking for a PC.
Linux Mint can run just fine in a VirtualBox VM and handle all of my work needs.
EDIT: And Boot Camp's drivers are pretty crippled. Even worse, I've actually overheated my MacBook Pro several times playing games like Cave Story. Also, I'm not that big of a fan of rebooting back and forth.
I can't tell you how many times I've been playing games on the windows side and got a call from work. Sure it's 3 minutes, but it's time opening up terminals and getting situated. It's changing context from Ctrl-Whatever to Cmd-Whatever. It's just frustrating.
Not worth it when I can get a really nice zenbook for less than half that price and put a good OS distro on it. I'm sure I'll miss MacOS but that had been on a downward trajectory for years anyhow.
Edit: and killing HDMI? Good gods, no. Just no. I use that every day, in multiple locations. If I had to use singles I'd go through one per week. Absolute deal breaker.
There's just nothing particularly exciting in these new models. There's also nothing wrong with them, but they are getting a little long in the tooth.
I'm surprised I hear so little complaints from enterprise users. As a contractor for large companies - some of which are still on Windows 7 - the lack of standardised ports is an absolute deal breaker. USB drives, VGA / HDMI capable video conferencing etcetera means I have to buy and lug around countless accessories and adapters just so I can use my "thinner and lighter than ever" MacBook which completely defeats the purpose.
The other deal breaker is the 8G ram in the 13" model. Running various VM's just requires more - which I do to accomodate client environments that use Windows 7, for instance.
Besides that I also use the F keys extensively in my work, so the touch bar doesn't mean much for me. I don't want to keep looking down to see what's where.
My next laptop will probably be a Windows one, which actually breaks my heart. I've used Apple since the G5 iMac. I might get a base model for personal use but I'm not sure I see the point.
So yeah, at the end of the day i probably will still buy the rMBP. There is no alternative at this point. But i am not happy with the direction Apple is going. Cutting ports, selling useless stupid gimmicks for $300 price bump instead of aiming for a better price/value. Not good.
The price is too high, obviously, but even ignoring that:
1- The TouchBar seem useful. BUT, why remove the F-Keys? Consider that is not because space, is obvious exist plenty of it.
2- The touch pad is gigantic, but, Why not make instead the keyboard larger? Is already great, is the keyboard that need love. I even dream about a mechanical version, but not, Apple HATE functional input hardware. let it at the normal size make possible to move TouchBar above it and below the keyboard (Not sure about this..)
3- All new ports good. But removing useful ports BAD. Is a PRO machine.
4- Let it at the same thinness AND increase the battery life. No brainier.
And not let us guess if mac mini, mac pro, imac are alive or not...
Also, what is the show about the MAC and tell about TV shows?
Besides, no one who uses Vim is gonna be happy to see the physical Esc key go away.
What kind of self-respecting Vim user physically reaches up to the top corner of their keyboard constantly?
Even if you have a physical esc key up there you should be hitting ctrl-[ or remaping it onto the capslock. It's wasted motion to constantly pull off home row to hit escape.
The Vim wiki has a lot of tips for more efficient mappings, but if you don't want to be dependent on your own idiosyncratic config, ctrl-[ is literally the keycode that the physical esc key generates, and it's soooo much easier to hit there's no reason not to retrain your muscle memory to prefer it.
I do remap the function bar right now, though. That will take some getting used to.
And remapping your vim shortcuts is great - when you're not constantly logging in to new instances or (don't ask) sharing logins with co-workers.
It's an inch from the bottom of your screen so unless you never use the bottom third of your laptop screen you probably see that part of your keyboard pretty clearly all the time.
Why? Touchbar looks useful. Wider gammut screen looks excellent. Apple's touchpad has always been an order of magnitude better than any other one on the market, and I'd love to have one on my MBP itself that was as large as my magic trackpad.
It's a nice upgrade over my current model, but I try to hold myself to a fixed upgrade cycle so I won't be jumping on board immediately.
The touchbar seems too gimmicky.
I play games on the PS4, iPad Mini, or iPhone.
So, no need for a new MacBook for a couple of years; and when I get a new one, portability will be the deciding factor.
I think when MacBook Pros have 4K screens, or better yet, OLED screens, I will upgrade. I'm thinking that will be 2018 or 2019.
I'll wait till my Macbook dies and then it is Windows time again.
Touch screen & VR here I come!
As for the Touch Bar, I believe that it can be good. It will remain to be seen how good it actually will be, but I'm looking forward to it for the time being.
So the way I see it, there are two options:
Go to an Apple store and get the previous model with all specs maxed out or find another decent alternative. Ideas?
Theres no way that I'm ever going back to windows as a developer, so its either another mac or back to another *nix based laptop, but its usually poorly optimised for battery life, and theres just simply too much that can go wrong and slow my productivity realistically.
Just excited to try what's new. I had a Macbook (one of the new ones) for work so I'd like to try it in this form factor and with a ton more speed. I got the 13" with 16GB. Should be great!
I always said, spend more on the things you spend a lot of time with. I splurged on my bed and I spend more time on my computer than anything else (probably even my bed) so I should have the top of the line - it's what makes me money anyway.
If you have anything recent, it may not be worth it, but the TouchID is very nice - onwards to a password-as-backup-auth future.
The new macbooks look cool. I'll be happy to get perhaps the next gen, or this one if something untoward happens to my current one.
I use a 2014 MBP and, on the move, I routinely use USB sticks, charge my phone, connect to HDMI displays (and the occasional VGA, for which I already have a dongle), and copy photos from SD cards. This means carrying (and not losing) 3-4 extra dongles.
I'm sure this will gradually change, but currently I have no USB-C devices whatsoever, so why would I get a machine with no other ports?
It seems that in the long run, all other hardware decisions apple has made were right. We'll see about the headphone jack on the iPhone and the USB c on the new laptop.
Has anyone seen any specs on the charging time for the new MacBook Pro?
Side note / self promo: I have the newest Macbook pro (with the aforementioned graphics chip), fully loaded which I am looking to get rid of (just dont need it as my job bought me another). Currently retails for $2700 with tax. Will sell for (name your price).
- MacBook Pro (Retina, 13-inch, Early 2015)
- MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2014)
- Mac Pro (Late 2013)
- iMac (27-inch, Late 2013) and later
- MacBook Air (Early 2015)
I like physical keys, tyvm, and don't see the touch bar making any significant improvement in my workflow. Vim without a physical escape key sounds like hell.
Even if I did like it, it's always wise to wait for revision 2 of any new Apple hardware. First revisions are known for being overpriced, under-featured, and buggy.
Plus, my next laptop will have 32GB RAM.
And I like physical function keys for other purposes too.
I'm thinking either a Dell XPS 15" (when they refresh them with Kaby Lake) or keeping this and getting/building a powerful desktop PC.
One other thing ... the lack of a magsafe connector is an issue as well.
I'm going to replace my somewhat-aging Air because its 8G isn't really close to what I need, although it's been surprisingly capable.
The touch bar is gimmicky, but I want it--it's more versatile than the keyboard mapping/macro games I play now. I won't use it the way most consumers do, but I'll definitely use it.
I do like the fact that it supports up to 5K displays, but I will need to save up to buy the display first. =)
I am anti-motivated by the touch bar and everything-is-USB-type-C, but I've got iOS dev work lined up so I'd better get over it.
- Web developement (Usually 4-8 tabs in Chrome + 2 Node servers + 1 MySQL + 2 VSCode windows + iTerm + Sequel Pro. No issues.)
- Twitch, Netflix, Hacker News, Twitter
Nupe. When they stop selling an upgradable MBP, they've lost me entirely. (Which is now.)
3. Xiomi mi notebook
4. New 13" MacBook Pro without screen
5. Refurbished 2016 Mac Air
Would still have verify the specific model though.
I was all ready to upgrade, but it looks like I'm staying put.