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The problem isn't the 35k, the problem is now we all have to spend a little bit of extra brain capacity, remembering the difference between 'more' and 'less', and how while you would imagine 'more' is better (based on the traditional English meaning of the words), actually, 'more' is the lesser product.

I wonder how many hours have been wasted altogether on people learning, and misunderstanding, which of more or less they should use?




You present a false argument. I have never "needed" nor used less, ever, and I suffered no concussion. Imagine having just one tool; you had better like it. If you hit upon a time when your chosen tool needs more functionality, that is when you go looking for a different tool. Luckily, that is what makes the Unix ecosystem strong and flexible and personal. All I have been seeing lately the want to dumb things down at the expense of flexibility. I have been building and admin'ing diverse Unix systems (and uVax, Win), well, 1980s forever, on very large and very small sites.


I don't think it's that bad. This is one of the cases where your usual ignorance towards new/different things is pretty effective.

At least for me personally, 'less' was what I always saw everywhere being used, and had used myself many times before I discovered that 'more' was a thing.

And when I discovered 'more', it took me maybe a minute to figure out that it's pretty much exactly like 'less', but that I didn't like it as much, and with everyone else seemingly agreeing on that, I didn't put any further thought to it.


Plus, `more` as a pager command at least makes a tiny bit of sense, but `less` is a ridiculously obscure command name for beginners.


Display less at once on the screen, and make it scrollable instead, worked perfectly fine for me as an analogy. I actually find "more" less logical, because I can't find a similar analogy for it...


Matter of taste, I like the image of scroll to see more


yeah, calling it less may have been fun at the time, but its poor ui design. if you call a method 'add_one', having it multiply by three might be what you intend, but its not very intuitive.


Heh, all the basic UNIX tools reek of geek design and bad UX.

cat -> from the obscure verb "catenate". A regular user would never, ever find the connection unless someone points it out. It should be "join" or "merge" or "unify" or something.

dd -> "data description". Really? It should be "blockcopy" or something.

grep -> "globally search a regular expression and print". Again, really? It should be "find" or "search".

ls, mv, cp, rm are kind of ok but in this day and age they should definitely be list, move, copy, remove by default (with aliases if need be). Heck, 99% of Unix commands are too short for their own sake.

cron -> "Chronos". Really?, third edition. It should be "scheduler" or something.

I mean, at this point we've all moved on and have memorized all these commands and parameters, but a lot of brain cells have died for no real benefit to humanity.


concatenate: link (things) together in a chain or series.

This is a word that perfectly describes exactly what cat does. Cat doesn't merge; that's ambiguous. Is a merge an interleaving? Sometimes yes. What does unify even mean in the sense of chaining data streams? Join? Close, but still unclear what it does. Does it operate on files? And what would happen to the already widely deployed join command that does something completely different?

Concatenate is a great word. Great words deserve to be used. I'm sorry that some of us haven't seen the crushing need to reduce our vocabulary to the double plus good amount of words in the newspeak lexicon.

What I'm not sorry about is that new users have to spend time to learn the system they're mucking around in before they can be useful with it. That's not a design flaw; that's a feature.


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Actually, you are wrong. In the 1972 2nd version of Bell Labs Unix the cat source code says "cat -- concatinate files"(sic). And, in the Bell Labs "Unix Programmers Manual", Second Edition, 1972 it is "Concatenate (or print) files". There goes those them "elitists" trying to be accurate again... And where do you get the idea what it's "supposed" to be anything? Approachable, or not approachable, it is what its founders made it; not what you decide it should be. Talk about arrogance.


Cat seems fine to me, since for most usages the con- is not necessary, and is redundant. Which makes it unfortunate that concatenate is the de-facto standard term, over catenate.

http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/125416/concatenat...


You're probably right but English, as well as UNIX, has conventions which are widely used. Going against them requires a lot of work and I'm not sure that the benefits are worth it.

"concatenate" is a lot more known than "catenate". And I'm pretty sure that even "concatenate" is quite low in usage compared to a more common verb (or set of verbs) which could be used to describe what cat does ("show", "join", "merge", "unify", etc).

Anyway, I was mostly ranting since at this point both "concatenate" as a de-facto standard term and "cat" as a default UNIX tool will probably outlive me and most likely my descendants as well :)


Join is a pretty cool utility -- it's the text file equivalent of a sql join.


If you know that it's a reference to the phrase "less is more", both the similarity and intended capability is humourously conveyed...




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