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I don't know from the legalities of the situation, and it sounds like they don't matter to the author either, and they're just going to comply out of good-will.

But I will say that as a (very) casual user of Sage and someone with a passing knowledge of the Jupyter branding change: SageMathCloud having an alias of "JupyterCloud" is an instance where the name usage would be super ultra confusing to me. It would make me think SageMathCloud, a project I was already aware of (but not a user of), was the official cloud backend for Jupyter, and was just slow on the rename.

Many thanks for your feedback, which is exactly the sort of additional perspective I'm hoping for. I definitely don't want to confuse users, and I really appreciate your pointing this out. Yes, not a legal question: I will bend over backwords out of good will... but I'm not even sure what I'm asking for, which is why your feedback is so helpful.

Just to be as fair as I can: I also find the new "Jupyter" branding to itself be super ultra confusing. :)

This, anything with the word Jupyter in it causes confusion. Because homophones are cute, and supporting Ju(lia) Py(thon) and Ter makes sense, when the word IPython is too disclusive.

Technically there is also a (legal) issue with the IPython name and the proximity with `Python` trademark, where the IPython team have an exceptional authorisation, under continuous approval to use the name under some restrictive conditions, like for example non-commercial use.

> they're just going to …

He; William Stein is a he, not a they.


Thanks for pointing it out but I doubt this new information changes anything. It is grammatically correct to use singular they when I can't be bothered to find out the subject's gender.

It may be grammatically correct to the 51% of Wikipedians who can stomach working on that particular page, but it is highly annoying.

It is also impolite if the gender of the person in question is completely obvious.

Additionally, it is confusing for non-native speakers who always have to figure out whether something is plural or singular.

It might be highly annoying to a small percentage of HN readers, but so are many other things.

It's impolite to use a new, throwaway account to foist personal preferences rooted in 19th century prescriptive grammar on us all.

I have a hard time in German remembering if a noun is feminine, masculine, or neuter. They should get rid of the gender system to make things easier for me.


You might be wary about using that term. The use of the term "virtue signaling" is also a common method by which bigots signal their virtue to other bigots. As http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior#.22Virtu... puts it, the term was:

> "seized upon by reactionaries almost immediately and broadened to just every instance of somebody publicly expressing a desire for a better world. Just like SJW and whiteknighting, the user assumes being a prejudiced, oppressive asshole is the default and knows saying as such won't get them any traction, so they throw terms around that assumes bad faith of "the other side" in order to poison the well. "

Since I doubt you have no desire for a better world, I'll assume you mean it in Bartholomew's original sense. Unfortunately, others have ruined it enough that it's no longer a meaningful term of discourse.


How do you know the downvotes weren't due to factors other than being correct?

For example, I can make a correct comment which has nothing to do with the thread. Irrelevant comments are infrequently downvoted. Eg, HN:ers downvote for reddit-style jokes. https://hn.algolia.com/?query=reddit%20joke%20downvote&sort=... . Even if there's nothing false in the joke.

People also downvote for tone: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=tone%20downvote&sort=byDate&pr... .

Since there are many factors which may cause someone to downvote, I don't think you can assume it was due to being correct.

Quoting from the HN Guidelines: "Please resist commenting about being downvoted. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading."

P.S. And how do you know 1928321931 prefers to be referred to as "he"?

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