But I will say that as a (very) casual user of Sage and someone with a passing knowledge of the Jupyter branding change: SageMathCloud having an alias of "JupyterCloud" is an instance where the name usage would be super ultra confusing to me. It would make me think SageMathCloud, a project I was already aware of (but not a user of), was the official cloud backend for Jupyter, and was just slow on the rename.
He; William Stein is a he, not a they.
Thanks for pointing it out but I doubt this new information changes anything. It is grammatically correct to use singular they when I can't be bothered to find out the subject's gender.
It is also impolite if the gender of the person in question is completely obvious.
Additionally, it is confusing for non-native speakers who always have to figure out whether something is plural or singular.
It's impolite to use a new, throwaway account to foist personal preferences rooted in 19th century prescriptive grammar on us all.
I have a hard time in German remembering if a noun is feminine, masculine, or neuter. They should get rid of the gender system to make things easier for me.
> "seized upon by reactionaries almost immediately and broadened to just every instance of somebody publicly expressing a desire for a better world. Just like SJW and whiteknighting, the user assumes being a prejudiced, oppressive asshole is the default and knows saying as such won't get them any traction, so they throw terms around that assumes bad faith of "the other side" in order to poison the well. "
Since I doubt you have no desire for a better world, I'll assume you mean it in Bartholomew's original sense. Unfortunately, others have ruined it enough that it's no longer a meaningful term of discourse.
For example, I can make a correct comment which has nothing to do with the thread. Irrelevant comments are infrequently downvoted. Eg, HN:ers downvote for reddit-style jokes. https://hn.algolia.com/?query=reddit%20joke%20downvote&sort=... . Even if there's nothing false in the joke.
People also downvote for tone: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=tone%20downvote&sort=byDate&pr... .
Since there are many factors which may cause someone to downvote, I don't think you can assume it was due to being correct.
Quoting from the HN Guidelines: "Please resist commenting about being downvoted. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading."
P.S. And how do you know 1928321931 prefers to be referred to as "he"?
p.s. Unless you're BuzzFeed, clickbait title that looked like it is looking to stir up drama is just gonna make you look less trustworthy (which is a shame, since the article itself is about a pretty important topic and very much deserves a discussion).
Would Jupyter also object to jupyter.sagemath.com? I mean, that seems to more clearly say that it's jupyter instances associated to sagemath.
Very good point about wanting to work together. And we definitely do want to work together with people (and we have a good relationship with William in particular). Another relevant part of the message to William and to the community is:
"We are currently discussing in the steering council guidelines for proper use of the Jupyter name (started in part by your inquiry a few weeks ago). We hope to have such guidelines published soon. In the interim, we ask that you (and others) not use the name Jupyter in a domain name. We feel that this avoids confusion in the community and is being fair to all who have inquired about such matters."
So we (Jupyter steering council and community) are also trying to figure out a good policy - we (speaking generally) want to be conservative and avoid confusion until such policies are in place, though.
The example in the article was polite, especially given the context that there was still some discussion to be had on Jupyter's side about the the issue.
On the other hand there is a much larger group (if only non-math students) for which a "google docs/github" for shared, zero-install, browser based python/R/Ruby programming, data-analysis, plotting, statistics, technical-scientific writing /Numpy numerical and yes, Sage symbolic computation environment is a great proposition. Of course this is exactly what SageMathcloud is offering. However, if I may exaggerate a bit, SageMathcloud is now positioned as a cloud system to support mathematicians that can also do things like plotting and statistics, because it is really handy for doing statistics of the zero's of the zeta function. Completely understandable from where you come from, but a marketing disaster. A name like Jupyther cloud that reflects such a "neutral" programming/technical/statistical/data position would be a great boon.