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6 points by enso-now 2328 days ago | hide | past | web | 22 comments | favorite
This is a double post. Here it is the previous discussion : http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1177080

On that discussion somebody asked for proofs that the device "advertised" existed for real. We realized that it was something needed to get credibility, so we updated our web site with new pictures shoot today. Please visit it at :

http://enso-now.com

Your feedback of any kind is greatly appreciated as always. Thanks a lot




Not to belittle you or anything, but this feels pretty scammy.

There are no specs on the site other than the memory capacity and a list of 'goodies', no information about which networks it works on and so on.

Maybe you should start by sending out some review units to the usual suspects before attempting to sign up customers ?

Elsewhere you admit to not even having a prototype (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1177199), so really what you are asking for is money in the hope that one day you'll be able to deliver.

Also it seems that overnight the memory capacity has changed fourfold.


Scammy and spammy.

Where are the specs? Sure, you can get different storage sizes, that's nice. What about the internals? Screen size, resolution, and technology? Battery life? 3G data bands? Weight? Dimensions?

Has anyone reputable reviewed these?

The name and logo both look to be ripped off from http://humanized.com/enso/

The OP's account is brand new, and has already spammed it up a few times: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1177080

The Google cache for http://www.onedollargold.com/ is http://bit.ly/dALAt1 which is just a -wee- bit odd.

Spamalicious.


I've found a specs page:

http://enso-now.com/n/info.php

It looks as though the phone portion of the functionality is a complete after thought, using a dongle, which makes the device pretty much useless as a phone for everyday use.

Funny how the email address for returns is 'retuns@enso-now.com', I'm guessing they don't get a lot of returns :)

Their privacy policy is copied from here:

http://www.freemanbeauty.com/page.asp?id=377


The device has phone functionality but only with GSM networks, and does not have support for video calls. Our privacy policy is just standard, does it add a lot of value rewriting from scratch like 3000 words ? i did not know that. What do you find funny about our email address ? please share a good laugh with me. Thanks!


> The device has phone functionality but only with GSM networks,

It does eh ? From your own website, the specs page:

"GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz) via external micro USB dongle"

So, no you don't have phone functionality.

> does it add a lot of value rewriting from scratch like 3000 words ?

Does it add value ? No, but it means that you are not above infringing on someone else's copyright which in turn means that you seem to take a cavalier attitude towards ethics, which in turn reflects badly on your corporate attitude.

And when you're asking people to trust you with their money your ethics are important.

So, your privacy policy is not just 'standard' it is a rip-off.

> What do you find funny about our email address ?

It's RETURNS, not RETUNS.

Thanks!

edit:

And I just realized that your specs page is a rip-off of this apple.com page:

http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/

Trust me, mr. Legal Entity, that's one of the most stupid things you could have done.

Oh, and the rest of the website is a rip-off of:

http://www.uptailor.com/Dress-shirts-comprehensive/Fabric/fa...

I'm sure they're very happy about that too.


I think you are just a frustrated mind, that does not have any better reason to spend time. Again, the phone has GSM functionality, if you want to bought it is there for you to try. I did not infringe any copyright, the English language is free and i can use it as i want, i have freedom of speech as you. Our company is not a "corporate" as you call it, it is a startup and we are young guys, and you are just making your self look ridiculous acting like this. I would have expected comments about how to improve. not rude rants like yours. And thanks for let me know about that typo, i will fix it now, English is not my mother tongue anyway. Our spec page is inspired from the apple one, our whole website is differenet. Our company is called Enso Co. Ltd, snf not Mr Legal Entity, so please note it. You really like to spy other people's lifes. Do you have one on your own ? Uptailor.com is my customer. I am a web developer also, so there is nothing wrong with it. All developers recycle their codebase, you did not know that ? It is a pity. Thanks anyway for all your comments. They are precious. Albertp


So, after seeing you don't seem to care about ripping off bits and pieces of web design I figured there might be more to this, maybe you ripped off the design of your 'ensopad' too.

Look familiar ?

http://www.smit.com.cn/English/proDetail.asp?InfoId=126&...


To expound on that, http://phandroid.com/2009/08/18/smit-android-mid-560-gets-le... has the OP commenting that he's ordering a lot of the SMiT devices, and is in a "trading" business. I think we're looking at a reseller here, not a manufacturer, which would explain a lot of the confusion regarding the specs and shippability of the device.


Good find.

So much for 'prototypes' then, in that post he writes it is a sample. Bit of a difference there.

That also explains why he hasn't got a clue about the normal phases a piece of hardware goes through before you are in a position to ship product.

I still don't get where the discrepancy of "Anyway i am not pre-selling anything, the device is currently produced and i can ship you 500 hundreds of pieces to you in a week." to "I am just a couple of weeks away from being able to ship." comes from as well as the documentation stating clearly that the base unit definitely does not have phone capability (it's marketed as a media player) and yet 'Alberto' states clearly that it has, but on their specs page it says that GSM/EDGE/UMTS are through a dongle.

Maybe his minimum order volume is 500 pieces and he hopes that he can scrape together the money to get the order delivered.

That could lead to 'interesting' situations if not enough people order.

have a read here:

http://www.ipadforums.net/ipad-general-discussions/291-tons-...

I guess selling fake brand watches wasn't enough of an income stream:

http://watch-replicas.net/

enso-now and admin-enso-now are sockpuppets for lostintech, who professes to have some idea of how to spot fake watches:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1116174

No kidding...


I really don't know how to react to this comment. It is in normal in China to suffer delays when you order something from a factory. It is normal when doing business in China.

The unit does have phone functionality through the dongle, and a custom application.

Scrape together all the money ? you must be joking. Do you have access to my financial informations, or do you know me personally ?

If the answer is no, how can you tell this ?

Regarding "how to spot fake watches", that's a sick business idea that came out after dealing with watch copies here in China, i thought i could make up a service and help people on eBay.

Yes lostintech and admin-enso-now are other account on my own. Then ?

You have been smart to find http://watch-replicas.net/, but not smart to post it.

I am waiting for your real name and address on my email alberto.armandi@gmail.com

My name is

Alberto Armandi

Contact info in Italy

Address : Via pisacane snc, Carbonia, CI, 09013

Telephone : +390781674624

Contact info in China

Address : Xianhu Road, manor nature reserve, 11/4F

Telephone : +8615017602050

I am taking your action against me personally, because you clearly have the intent to make me look like a scammer. I will wait one week before contacting directly a lawyer to obtain your real name by legal means.

Thanks.

Alberto Armandi


Alberto, you are really not helping yourself here.

You've had ample opportunity to correct any misconceptions, but with every bit you write you dig the hole a little deeper.

The first thing you need to do before you ask people for their $ is to get a pallet full of those thingies in to your warehouse, or alternatively as much of them as you can afford, send off a couple to hardware review sites (yes, that costs you some money), and then you can start shipping based on how much stock you've got.

> I really don't know how to react to this comment. It is in normal in China to suffer delays when you order something from a factory. It is normal when doing business in China.

That may be. But it is NOT normal to tell people that you can ship product and you ask them for their money when you've only received your first sample yesterday.

If delays in the delivery are normal then don't tell people you can deliver door-to-door in under 10 days.

Or are you now going to tell me that you have a few hundred of these babies in stock ?

> The unit does have phone functionality through the dongle, and a custom application.

So, my netbook has the combined functionality of everything that I could stick in to the USB port ? No, it does NOT have phone functionality, it is a media player with wifi, that you can graft phone functionality on to, but you'll be left with a dongle sticking out of your device, which is not the same as having that functionality built in.

> Scrape together all the money ? you must be joking. Do you have access to my financial informations, or do you know me personally ?

No, but I've done a bit of research by now and I know that you are not currently in the posession of 500 shippable units or their financial equivalent. Not that long ago you were trying to raise a little bit of money for a startup that failed (how is wozad.com these days?), less than three weeks ago you were planning to earn $ by $ for reviewing items to be sold on ebay for their authenticity.

> Regarding "how to spot fake watches", that's a sick business idea that came out after dealing with watch copies here in China, i thought i could make up a service and help people on eBay.

Right. Because selling fake watches is legal in China. But it isn't elsewhere in the world, and that's where you're selling them in to. That's a shady business, one that can land you in plenty of hot water in the US and in Europe.

Basically your business model was on how to detect people that sell the stuff that you sold. Takes one to know one I guess.

> You have been smart to find http://watch-replicas.net/, but not smart to post it.

Why ? Is it a secret ? Would you rather that you had not soiled your reputation by selling counterfeit stuff ?

> I am waiting for your real name and address on my email alberto.armandi@gmail.com

If you haven't figured out who I am by now you are really not very clever.

> I am taking your action against me personally, because you clearly have the intent to make me look like a scammer.

You make you look like a scammer.

The product has not been reviewed by any third party, you took deliver of ONE sample yesterday and yet you claim that you can ship, and are willing to take peoples money today.

The only thing I've done is document that.

> I will wait one week before contacting directly a lawyer to obtain your real name by legal means.

Why wait ? Do it today!

Don't bite of more than you can chew though.

And you'd be better of spending that money on getting some of 'your' product so that you can take peoples $ in the confidence that you can actually meet your self imposed shipping deadline.

FYI, your introduction to this post reads: "We realized that it was something needed to get credibility,", instead you've done just about everything that you could to blow your credibility to smithereens.

'borrowed' logos, website content 'inspired' (what a word) by the Apple.com ipad pages, a reseller / white label deal that you present as product development (prototype ??), and a history of selling fake brand name stuff on ebay.

Well done, really.


When you will come to Shenzhen, setup this business and meet with Smith, maybe you will understand. I am not sure though, you are able to do all these things. I live in China since years and i do trading for a living. i have many connections here that can help overcome any problem. I think i do know much more practical things to get things done in a totally clear way, than you. Sincerely. Alberto


What did i wrote wrong there ? can you explain?


Ripped off what ? that is the product i have rebranded and i am selling, please see http://www.ipadforums.net/ipad-general-discussions/291-tons-... . Thank you!


Hi, thanks for you comments. All the specs are visible in our website, i do not what's wrong with you, if something is not clear please just send an email to us at info@enso-now.com I advice you not to use the words Scammy and Spammy, because we are a legal entity, and i might taking legal actions against you, because you does not have any solid argumentation to call us spammy. Regarding the logo issue, i am getting tired of this, i hoped HN would give out smart comments for startups, not the way around. The Enso logo is already popular. Check it out on google with a simple research. Anyway i like it and i choose it. The Post has not been spammed, i stated clearly at the start of the post ( did you read it or you are just trolling here ? ) that we were double posting for a PURPOSE. Finally, regarding the google cache delirium with onedollargold.com, ( that's the blog of my girlfriend totally unrelated to enso-now.com ) what the heck does that mean ? it is a domain i own, i am a web developer too, i use that for testing, than ? you found a link? what is that nasty bitly stuff ? You look like as a teenager honestly. I hoped to get more serious feedbacks from HN. it is a real pity. Anyway thank you. Alberto


> I advice you not to use the words Scammy and Spammy, because we are a legal entity, and i might taking legal actions against you, because you does not have any solid argumentation to call us spammy.

I call you a scammer and a spammer, now please sue me.

My puppy is a legal entity too, that doesn't mean that I can't call it whatever I like and if you come here to hawk your product and you get called out on numerous flags that show that you are not exactly above board then you can either explain what's going on or you'll have to live with being labeled.

Your threat actually confirms more than anything else would that this is a scam, a real company would be able to dispel these doubts about the product in a very easy way.

You've ripped off a logo, copied the privacy policy for your website word-for-word with a few changes here and there to make it look original, that by itself is enough to put you in the 'suspect' category.

Next you seem to be unaware of standard naming conventions regarding the production of a device like this, you claim you are capable of shipping when in the normal course of events you'd be at least months away from that.

HN is probably the last place on the planet where you should come trying to hawk a product in this way.


I don't know who are you and where you come from, but your instruction level seems really insufficient, at least for what is regarding the web industry. Have you ever heard of serial entrepreneurship? actually this industry WORKS by duplicating sites and changing content according to the niche they are targeting. I do not know exactely of what you are accusing me, from my point of view, you have no clues and you are just defamating me and my business. It is a normal practice for developers to to reuse code and content, and editing it, of course. I did not steal any logo and i do not have anything to hide. I am just a couple of weeks away from being able to ship. I am not threating you, i just say that the word Scammy should not be used without serious proofs. You could disrupt my business do you know ? business could mean life sometimes. Please provide me your full name and contact info by mail at alberto.armandi@gmail.com. Thanks


> I don't know who are you and where you come from,

No, that much is clear.

> but your instruction level seems really insufficient, at least for what is regarding the web industry.

Boy, I really must have missed out on some education somewhere.

> Have you ever heard of serial entrepreneurship?

Yes, in fact I have. Let me guess, you're one of those ?

> actually this industry WORKS by duplicating sites and changing content according to the niche they are targeting.

Yes, but it does not normally do that by taking other peoples content and repurposing it, it does that by re-using your own content. Taking the specs page from your competitor and modifying it a bit, a logo here and a bunch of web template code somewhere else... It adds up you know.

> I do not know exactely of what you are accusing me,

I really can't help that...

> from my point of view, you have no clues and you are just defamating me and my business.

You and your business ?

No, I am not 'defamating' (what's that?) you, I'm telling you what I think of your business practice and since this is an open forum that's the sort of thing you have to expect.

This being HN I'm keeping it very civil, given the amount of funny vibes you are giving me, and your apparent lack of knowledge about your own product.

> it is a normal practice for developers to to reuse code and content, and editing it,

No, it really isn't. Especially not if that includes copying pages from your competitors websites.

> of course. I did not steal any logo and i do not have anything to hide.

Correction, you've taken lots of stuff, that logo is indeed suspiciously like the one that you use and you have lots to hide but you're not very good at it.

> I am just a couple of weeks away from being able to ship.

Hey, sorry, but not that long ago you wrote that you could ship 500 units in a week. Now we're several weeks off. And is that the version that contains a GSM radio or not ?

> I am not threating you, i just say that the word Scammy should not be used without serious proofs.

This is not a court of law and I think that scammy as an adjective more than applies to the kind of image you portray here.

> You could disrupt my business do you know ?

Possibly. If your business includes taking orders where you claim to be 'shipping product' when in fact you are at a minimum weeks and probably much more away from being able to do so I sincerely hope that I can stop people from sending you money before you are able to ship.

> Please provide me your full name and contact info by mail at alberto.armandi@gmail.com

Why, are you going to send me a complimentary free unit :) ?

Let me give you some free advice:

Leave this site alone, the people here in general are not going to fall for your scheme and if they do you are probably biting off more than you can chew.

Get yourself a nice fresh domain, pay a web designer a couple of hundred bucks to make YOUR logo and website for you and don't ask people to send you their hard earned cash before you are ready to ship.

If your businessplan revolves around taking pre-orders pretending to be in the shipping phase but actually still in ramp-up and you are not a large scale manufacturer yet then you are simply asking for trouble.


> I don't know who are you and where you come from, No, that much is clear. > I am really not interested in this. but your instruction level seems really insufficient, at least for what is regarding the web industry. Boy, I really must have missed out on some education somewhere. > You can say boy to your little brother if if you have one,or to any child you meet on the street ( assuming police does allow you to do that, you know nowadays you cannot trust anybody on that street. Anyway that might be, i don't know your skills. > Have you ever heard of serial entrepreneurship? Yes, in fact I have. Let me guess, you're one of those ? > No i am not. > actually this industry WORKS by duplicating sites and changing content according to the niche they are targeting. Yes, but it does not normally do that by taking other peoples content and repurposing it, it does that by re-using your own content. Taking the specs page from your competitor and modifying it a bit, a logo here and a bunch of web template code somewhere else... It adds up you know. > Let's get real here and checkout reality. Not your fantasy. No, I am not 'defamating' (what's that?) you, I'm telling you what I think of your business practice and since this is an open forum that's the sort of thing you have to expect. This being HN I'm keeping it very civil, given the amount of funny vibes you are giving me, and your apparent lack of knowledge about your own product. > You can check about the word "Defamating" here : http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/defamating I know well my product, you really seem too proud of your man. Who are you ? What are your achievements? > it is a normal practice for developers to to reuse code and content, and editing it, No, it really isn't. Especially not if that includes copying pages from your competitors websites. > It is, despite what you say, i fill fix details in the next days. > I am just a couple of weeks away from being able to ship. Hey, sorry, but not that long ago you wrote that you could ship 500 units in a week. Now we're several weeks off. And is that the version that contains a GSM radio or not ? > Yes i am able to ship within a week, do you have an order to place? otherwise you are just wasting my time. > I am not threating you, i just say that the word Scammy should not be used without serious proofs. This is not a court of law and I think that scammy as an adjective more than applies to the kind of image you portray here. > You can use the adjective scammy, but consider that my brand name will be linked on google to this post for quite some time. > You could disrupt my business do you know ? Possibly. If your business includes taking orders where you claim to be 'shipping product' when in fact you are at a minimum weeks and probably much more away from being able to do so I sincerely hope that I can stop people from sending you money before you are able to ship. > I am able to ship orders as soon as i get money; i repeat it to you, you are disrupting my business with useless and pointless defamation. > Please provide me your full name and contact info by mail at alberto.armandi@gmail.com Why, are you going to send me a complimentary free unit :) ? > Why not, would you like to receive one ? could you help me? Anyway i take your advices and comments as precious , despite the tones of our conversation. Alberto


Hi, thanks a lot for your comment, here is my reply : 1) I don't take your comment as an offense, that is my first rule. Otherwise i won't be posting here on HN 2) On the website http://enso-now.com you can find detailed specs, like memory capacity yes. What do you mean by list of "goodies"? do you mean the 3G usb dongle ? i can get it for almost any standard in the world. Don't forget that i am in China, here is where most electronics goods sold in the world are manufactured. 3) Today 3 March i bought the prototype finally and placed a gallery section on the enso website. I think you can easily reach it from the main index : http://enso-now.com; I am not asking money to anybody, i am just selling my products. I guess you are not really the "entrepreneurial" kind of guy, but i can tell you that starting your business is a nice thing to do in your life if you have the opportunity. But you need to maintain integrity, always when doing business. I think i am working hard on this, but you are free to have your point of view and express it by any means. 4) What do you mean by "Also it seems that overnight the memory capacity has changed fourfold", we offered since the start, 2, 4 and 8GB models. that did not change.


Look, if you bought the prototype today you are not ready to ship.

And as to '4', that's in response to yesterdays thread when the maximum capacity was still 2G.

And me not being the 'entrepreneurial' kind of guy is hilarious, thank you.

You write you will send some 'prototypes' to influential tech blogs, but you seem to completely get the terminology wrong here.

Prototype, pre-production, 0 series and production are all well defined terms. If you have a prototype today you are not within a week of shipping 500 of them, you still need FCC approval if you wish to ship to the US and similar for other countries, and you don't normally send out prototypes (that cost a small fortune to manufacture) to tech blogs for reviews, you do that with your first pre-production run, or if you're pressed for time with the first production batch.

As long as this unit has not been reviewed by a (respectable) third party I'd strongly recommend against people sending you their money.


As i final note, i will send the prototype for review soon to some major tech blogs, in the hope they will review us. You will then be able to speak with a clue. Thanks a lot. Alberto




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