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This article will not change anything. By the time our day end we will have been bombarded by so much other information that it will just be one more forgotten thing.

And there's so much things that are revolting that our brains are just shutting down as a self defense mechanism.

Sociopaths in power don't even need to hide anymore, they know they are hidden in the noise.

I mean look at Turkey : they help ISIS, they shoot Syrian refugees crossing the border, they kill their own Kurdish population and they denies a genocide ... barely a blip in the news.




20 years ago it wouldn't have been news at all. Now it's hard to make things completely vanish. Its just the balance between scandals and outrage has shifted; far more scandals are floating to the surface in the Information Age and outrage has yet to catch up. But it will


20 years ago, it would have been far bigger news. There's been a gradual slide in the conditions in Turkey that make what's happening there now not very surprising.


Disagree. 20 years ago no one would have heard of this. And 20 Turkey was a far worse place than it is today, just about to have a military coup https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Turkish_military_memora...


>barely a blip in the news.

This might sound harsh but look beyond the metaphor; if I wake up in the morning and find poop in the toilet, it's not really such a big surprise. But if I find poop on the kitchen table, well we have reason to be concerned now.


Unless everyone is waking up to find poop on the kitchen table every morning for so long that they then begin treating it as normal. Which is what the parent post is suggesting - that we are already there.


yes, but we need Turkey. They are in Nato, they are on "our" side - thus we do not criticise (and if we do - very meekly).

The same as when they are "our" dictators, or "theirs". Whether the government is murdering "communists in their 10s / 100s of thousands or whether the government is trying to improve the lot of the country's people via social programs at the experience of foreign (our) international businesses.


One reason this won't cause a blip in the news is because it's really sensationalist and biased.

The article implies that the government was totally wrong about Abu Zubaydah and, therefore, he was totally innocent But to prove that the article cites to the court memo that says the US government doesn't alleged Zubaydah was a member of al Qaeda.

But the government still alleged he ran an independent terrorist training camp that was affiliated with al Qaeda. The gov't just didn't "contend that Petitioner was a 'member' of al-Qaida in the sense of having sworn bayat (allegiance) or having otherwise satisfied any formal criteria that either Petitioner or al-Qaida may have considered necessary for inclusion in al~Qaida. Nor is the Government detaining Petitioner based on any allegation that Petitioner views himself as part of al-Qaida as a matter of subjective personal conscience, ideology, or worldview. Rather, Respondent's detention of Petitioner is based on conduct and actions that establish Petitioner was 'part of' hostile forces and 'substantially supported' those forces."


If he wasn't innocent, he would be judged by an independent court, and be given the chance of challenging the evidence against him. The US is a democracy.


Even a guilty man shouldn't be subjected to 81 waterboardings in a month.


Pretty much. Of course, all of that stands to change if the quality of life for the people "shutting down" their brains suddenly plummets. Then, magically, you would see people flip out. Short of that, they'll just take the suffering of others as their own possible worst end.




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