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Just a reminder that trying to discuss these matters on HN is a bad idea as the moderators routinely bury any anti government sentiments and articles, ban accounts and IPs which are critical of the government and allow government sock puppets to control the conversation.

Then mods only defense is to say trust them and none of this is true, but ample evidence exists to the contrary.

American government is corrupt and HN Moderation policy is to abide and abet that corruption.

I have yet to see a pro-government take on this issue in HN.

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