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And I didn't say that the doer always deserves the credit. As an example, who deserves more credit for the success of Apple, Steve Wozniak or Steve Jobs? Wozniak created the Apple I and most of the Apple II. But clearly Jobs' ideas built the current company.

However these cases are the exception, not the rule. As a rule ideas are cheap, implementations are hard. And success has more to do with iterating on the implementation than the starting ideas.

The Jobs/Wozniak example is a great one. I might suggest that Wozniak's execution created the company, and Jobs' vision transformed the company into what it is today.

But that transformation involved nearly destroying the company first, getting himself ousted. Then recreating MacOS as a UNIX platform for a market that did not want it, only to be finally integrated by the dying Apple as a Hail Mary play by both Jobs' and Apple.

Jobs' get a lot of credit for the vision, and even the execution. But it could have turned out lots of different ways. If Pixar had not been successful (in no small part because of Jobs dumping millions and millions of his own money into it), one could imagine NeXT not being bought by Apple.

  > However the problem is that actual credit for
  > success REALLY belongs with the
  > people who did the work.

  > And I didn't say that the doer always
  > deserves the credit.
You kind of did.

No, I really didn't. Coming up with ideas, then iterating on them, is itself a form of work. And when done well, it is a more productive form of work than figuring out technical challenges.

Take my Steve Jobs example. Do you really think that he didn't work hard?

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