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I did three retreats, and my experience is that Vipassana -- and meditation practices in general -- induces extreme forms of dissociation, and as such not a reliable to way to deal with emotions in the real world.



I did 14 over the last 13 years and dissociation in a bad way is something this technique does not, not in a bad way. There are different forms of dissociation: one where your body becomes alien, there is one, where your ego is not associated with the feelings, etc...

There is a dissociational element in vipassana, but it is that your ego does not associate pain with suffering or fine sensations with lust.

What I experienced in me and I see it in others as well, is that they deal with the real world much intensified. Of course, you distance yourself in the retreat, but this is for self improvement, as sometimes you need a time out to really look deep inside, calm your mind so it is sensitive enough.


Essentially you are saying the same thing as me.

A Vipassana meditator dissociates from their emotions while identifying with the physical sensations (whereas what is generally called as the ego/soul/self is, at core, the emotions themselves). Retreats acutely develop this process, but the effects are felt throughout one's daily life.

Your saying "the real world much intensified" is the effect of this process of identifying with the physical sensations (hence "intensified") while tacitly dissociating from the associated emotions.

While dissociation is one way to cope with emotions, it is not a reliable to way to deal with them in the real world.


You seem to be saying that meditation is not a reliable way to hang on to your ego. That should go without saying.


No, what I am saying is the dissociation induced by meditation is not a reliable to way to deal with emotions in the real world.


Needless to say, his ego is scared shitless about that.


I just read your recent comments which indicates that you are a fan of the Vipassana method.

Do you realize that Vipassana as practiced in the West is not so much about elimination of ego as distancing (hence dissociation) the said ego from the soul (the seat of emotions)?

As the emotions are still in place, when push comes to shove the distanced ego will rear its ugly head again and again (hence unreliable).

There is more to the human condition than the ego, and this is what Satya Narayan Goenka doesn't get. He is essentially promoting an extreme form of everyday psychological dissociation.


Is this your own insight or do you have references? It's a little hard for me to make sense of your position based only on what you've written here.


This is based on my experience. As for references, start from here: http://actualfreedom.com.au/sundry/frequentquestions/FAQ33a....




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