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There's no meaningful difference between abolishing DST and making DST permanent. It's really just a question about whether you'd permanently like a little more sun in the morning, or the afternoon.

In the Northern city that I live in, in the winter, a permanent DST would be preferable. We're already in the preferable situation 8 months of the year. No reason not to just extend it the other 4 months, permanently.




If you read the linked article there is a meaningful difference due to the fact that the sunlight later in the day discourages crime due to more visibility during evening commutes.


There's a meaningful difference, it the question of whether your whole timing system is based on a lie. Is midnight in the middle of the night? Is midday in the middle of the day?


> There's a meaningful difference, it the question of whether your whole timing system is based on a lie. Is midnight in the middle of the night? Is midday in the middle of the day?

Solar midday already isn't the middle of the day in much of the world. It happens around 3pm for me in the summer, and before noon in the winter.

Not everyone in the world lives close to the equator. All time is, in a very real sense, just a consensual lie we agree to tell ourselves.


Solar midday stays within a half hour range all year. It doesn't matter whether you're far from the equator.


Sure there is. Some of us haven't ever used DST at all, so it changes with relation to time zones.

There's nothing wrong with changing one's hours to be a bit earlier in the day.


> Sure there is. Some of us haven't ever used DST at all, so it changes with relation to time zones.

Your DST == Your standard time. Making your DST permanent is a NOP. Nothing changes for you.

> There's nothing wrong with changing one's hours to be a bit earlier in the day.

This is a distinction without a difference.


Whether we end up aligned with mountain or Pacific time is a non-trivial difference. You're saying we should end up in a way that isn't grouped with the nearby geographic states.

Also, the reservations DO use DST here, so parts of the state would be permanently 1 hour off from the rest of the state in your construction and would never realign.

So yes, it makes a difference in which direction you align--one way the entire state will be uniform and the same as the other states in its longitude whereas the other it will be strangely divided.

Yeah, maybe we could adopt some permanent offset to match everyone, but that wouldn't be a 'no change' kind of thing.


You do realize that the amount of hours of daylight one gets in one day is an immutable property of the rotation of the earth?

Calling 3:00 pm "Four O'clock" does not magically make the day longer, nor would it give you more sun in the afternoon.


Yes, people realize that. Usually people must conform to societal norms which require one to do things at a certain time, which may not be synced with the natural time.


> Calling 3:00 pm "Four O'clock" does not magically make the day longer

Right.

> nor would it give you more sun in the afternoon.

Wrong. "Afternoon" as commonly used is based on what hour it is, not what the sun is doing. Shift the clocks an hour, you change how much sun is in the afternoon by an hour.




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