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What is it lately with Windows 10 privacy issues blowing up in Hacker-news since windows 10 came out? I know most of you guys are Apple/Linux guys (I myself love Linux like the rest of you) but come on, Apple does this, your smartphone does this, most services you use do this. Just getting tired of the big bad M$ hate bandwagon. This isn't even a credible article and people are already going off about it. This is no different than Yosemite which logs your location and searches that you make with Spotlight and Safari. Yet, I don't recall seeing articles constantly on the front page about that? Seems a little biased to me.

NOTE: Not that I condone what Microsoft is doing, just a little hypocritical to think that big bad Microsoft is doing anything new in the industry, especially when the products you guys are talking about jumping ship to, have the same problems. This is nothing new




It's new for Microsoft, which is what makes it news. MS seems to be finding its way into the consumer-level big-data world slower than its competitors, but now that they're going in that direction---yeah, people should care that their assumption that the OS they use at home (the OS itself, not the myriad applications they run atop it) isn't keyboard-logging them might very well be false.


Yet we are basing this hype around a non-credible article that doesn't really offer much in terms of proof? There have already been a few people including myself who have done HTTPS/HTTP sniffing who haven't found any "keylogging" like evidence other than for Cortana/search related tasks. At this point it's a witch hunt.



In my case it's different because:

1. I don't use my smartphone for work. I have to use Windows for work, and some of this is dealing with confidential information.

2. I don't use my smartphone to write sensitive documents. I use my PC to write all kinds of documents, some of them sensitive and confidential.

3. I am not aware of my Android smartphone or tablet sending all my typing to the cloud. If this is so in Android I'd like to learn about it, same as if it's true for Windows. I wouldn't be comfortable with it.


I understand that, but the article is not credible in the slightest, and there have already been HTTPS/HTTP snooping done by multiple users that show no evidence of an active keylogger. It's annoying that an article like this makes it to the front page with a click bait title and everyone is going crazy about it because it fits the agenda for M$ bashing.


The "downvoting brigade" might have a point, since you're pathetically derailing in a classic fashion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism


Finally someone who isn't a hypocrite and speaks the truth. The same people who are complaining about Microsoft data mining are the same people who don't have issues using Google.

It's just so ridiculously stupid and it's as if it's funny.


> Finally someone who isn't a hypocrite and speaks the truth. The same people who are complaining about Microsoft data mining are the same people who don't have issues using Google.

Nope. You're making assumptions based on nothing.

I have an issue with both (or any) companies doing it, as do many other people.

I don't even use Google search anymore, and I certainly don't want my Windows searches consulting Bing.


> The same people who are complaining about Microsoft data mining are the same people who don't have issues using Google.

I would bet cash money that this is false. There is more than one type of person on HN. If you interpret the actions of multiple people as if they were a monolithic entity, of course they're going to seem contradictory.


Many people welcomed the apparent change of course Microsoft made under the new management and they're probably a little disappointed. Anyway, I try to handle more sensitive content (production ssh keys, customers' information) on my laptop (running Ubuntu) and not a mobile device precisely because I only have weak control over the phone.


as somebody who never uses apple products and probably never will, i don't find it OK that my device, any device would do such nasty things.

to put it as simply as I can - wrong behavior is wrong, and it's good to not be OK with it. just because other assholes in the block are doing it too doesn't make it any more right.

do you see anything wrong with that statement?


I understand that it's wrong, but I see a constant trend to backlash against big bad M$, while other companies are not held to the same standard. The article posted isn't even slightly credible, yet it makes it to the front page, the witch-hunt begins. That's my problem.


Google and Apple are no saints, but there is a much larger history of bad behavior from MS. Given their attempts recently to about-face and be the good guys it shouldn't be surprising that many people are quick to point out actions that seem to indicate this behavior is not representative of their core agenda.

And besides, these things tend to come in waves. I've read basically the same comment about Google ad Apple here: "Why is everyone picking on Google and giving MS a free pass? They've done much worse!" "Why is everyone hating on Apple? Android has most of the same problems too!"


That makes sense. They do come in waves. I do think that Apple does get a free pass a majority of the time though because of their monolithic following. But overall I agree.


> This is no different than Yosemite which logs your location and searches that you make with Spotlight and Safari.

No, if this is true it is massively different. This article claims that Microsoft is keylogging everything for keywords; this is not in the same universe as one app sending data for search results. Did you not rtfa?


The article is moot, Did you also read the article about MH370 getting shot down by an Israeli missile? Clearly not credible, Look at some articles where people have done HTTPS/HTTP snooping and you can find out pretty quick that there are no indications that there is an active key-logger other than Cortana/Search data being sent off.


I wasn't commenting on the credibility of the article, I was commenting on your claim that it (the article's claims) are equivalent to what Spotlight does, which is bullshit.


Sorry If I wasn't clear, I was trying to say that the article in itself is bullshit, and that from credible sources, and if you do some HTTPS/HTTP snooping yourself, you'll turn up with evidence that suggest it does the same thing that Spotlight does.




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