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20 points by dfranke 143 days ago | link | parent

We’re offering a free TechCrunch tshirt to any Google employee that forwards that screenshot to us. No questions asked.

Anyone left on HN who still wants to stand up for Arrington's reputation as a journalist?



56 points by ksvs 143 days ago | link

There are few reporters who wouldn't accept leaked documents. Some of the most famous news stories were based on leaks.

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7 points by dfranke 143 days ago | link

There are hopefully considerably fewer offering explicit quid pro quos for said documents.

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24 points by davidw 143 days ago | link

I will see the shirt offer and raise him one shirt. Any Google employee who forwards me confidential and highly important legal documents, and thus risking immediate firing if not a lawsuit of their own, will get not one, but two t-shirts! All the way from Italy!

Sheez...

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8 points by raquo 142 days ago | link

Free startup idea: T-shirt funding pool for leaked documents.

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8 points by mikedouglas 143 days ago | link

Putting aside that we're talking about a shirt, what is unethical about buying leaked information, as long as it is legitimate news?

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20 points by dfranke 143 days ago | link

It's not legitimate news. It's confidential correspondence. Arrington is seeking to bribe a Google employee to betray his employer by breaching his NDA. If the document were evidence of wrongdoing on Google's part, it would be a different matter -- the employee would be a whistleblower and his betrayal would be laudable. But that's not what we're talking about. Google is the victim of the alleged wrongdoing. If the information gets leaked, they're victimized even further by being deprived of a bargaining chip with Apple.

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34 points by mikedouglas 143 days ago | link

It's not legitimate news.

Apple lied in an official FCC inquiry. That's news.

Arrington is seeking to bribe a Google employee to betray his employer by breaching his NDA.

The vast majority of news leaks throughout history have been based on ulterior motives; whether they are politically or financially-based, seems inconsequential. TechCrunch isn't a party to that NDA, so they should only consider the public interest of the story.

If the information gets leaked, they're victimized even further by being deprived of a bargaining chip with Apple.

What bargaining chip? The ability to collude to scuttle a government investigation? If the FCC asks for the letter, Google has to give it up anyways.

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6 points by GHFigs 142 days ago | link

Apple lied in an official FCC inquiry.

Can someone point out the lie to me?

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4 points by vermontdevil 142 days ago | link

Mike Arrington said so.

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2 points by ErrantX 143 days ago | link

Your kind of assuming that Google would want the FCC investigation to conclude and effectively force Apple into accepting Voice.

But perhaps they would prefer for Apple to just get so uncomfortable over the poking around they accept Voice off bat in an attempt to take the heat off.

Which means Google have that rejection letter as big guns at any later stage.

Yes Google have to give it to the FCC if they ask for it - but if they don't ask (I am not 100% sure of the rules here) they don't have to mention it or do more than vaguely hint at it's existence.

Right?

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1 point by pmorici 143 days ago | link

Lock up your secrets their giving away t-shirts. What employee is going to risk their career for a t-shirt.

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0 points by skolor 143 days ago | link

More than that, I was wondering: Who would do that for a T-Shirt? Its just disgusting to me (and indicative of why I don't read Tech Crunch) that they are so full of themselves that they feel even a T-Shirt from them holds significant value.

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63 points by jkincaid 143 days ago | link

We don't, it's a joke. I am having a hard time believing so many people on this site didn't catch that.

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31 points by tvon 143 days ago | link

It fits nicely with our expectations.

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5 points by electromagnetic 143 days ago | link

Agreed, perhaps the work week has sapped people of their sense of humour. Or perhaps there's a rare genetic anomaly that turns people into hackers and leaves them without a single funny-bone in their body.

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12 points by skolor 143 days ago | link

Its not that its a lost sense of humour, I would guess (because I know why I thought it wasn't a joke) its because of the relatively low opinion many people here have of TechCrunch. Its almost (at least to me) like Nixon, right after Watergate, joking "I wouldn't want you to get a parking ticket..." Sure, it isn't a big deal, but it is rather slimy, and since you already have a low opinion of the party, the whole "joke" is skipped over.

And the fact that sarcasm doesn't translate over the internet well doesn't help any. Or, as I have refered to it: damn you internet and your lack of signifying sarcasm, or, in the semi-pronouncable internet acronym form: DYIAYLOSS.

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2 points by electromagnetic 143 days ago | link

I don't believe this would have gone over much better if spoken aloud. Sarcasm isn't typically a humour well used in NA, either people can't say it right or people don't understand it. Coming from the UK where sarcasm can be used in every sentence, it's like being the only person with sight in a world of blind people.

I believe (!) should become a standard for sarcasm on the web, it would at least hint people that the line is different from the norm.

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1 point by dasil003 142 days ago | link

Glad you mentioned the UK or I would have no idea what the hell you meant by NA.

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-1 points by nostrademons 143 days ago | link

Lessee...Google job, T-shirt. I think I'd rather have the job.

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36 points by jkincaid 143 days ago | link

It's a joke. Up to you whether you think it's funny or not, but as grounds to question his credibility? Lighten up.

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18 points by logic 143 days ago | link

I expected the TechCrunch readership to not get a little jab of humor, but here too?

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7 points by dfranke 143 days ago | link

It isn't funny. Arrington seems to think it is, but apparently all he's laughing at is his own lack of ethics rather than at any intended jest:

i mean, sure, we’d take the docs and deliver the tshirt. but we do have one or two other ways of getting information.

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11 points by erlanger 143 days ago | link

I don't see a problem with this.

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5 points by tlrobinson 142 days ago | link

The only problem I see is it will be trivial to find the culprit, just look for the Googler wearing a TC shirt.

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3 points by euccastro 142 days ago | link

He'd wear it inside out.

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10 points by zaidf 143 days ago | link

I once passed on a story to TC that had one upvote on HN at the time. It went on to become a huge sensation online and in print worldwide. I won't disclose it but basically the company threatened to sue all involved in spreading it. Afraid, I wrote to Arrington and he assured me he'd rather goto jail than out a source.

Of course I never seriously thought the company had a case(especially against me). I just took a public link and fwded it to someone who made it big. Very different from leaking.

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1 point by Nwallins 142 days ago | link

> I once passed on a story to TC that had one upvote on HN

The meaning of this is completely changed if you parse it like:

I once passed on a story...

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4 points by idm 143 days ago | link

I'm in the "t-shirt was a joke" camp, but this does cause me to wonder: is this alleged screenshot also a joke?

I mean, in the context of the t-shirt thing, just how credible can Arrington's screenshot claim be, anyway?

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8 points by bmelton 143 days ago | link

What strikes me as worrisome is that, at least by the tone of the article, there is no possible doubt in Arrington's mind that the screenshot exists, and that it is EXACTLY what was claimed to him, and he hasn't even seen it.

I'm sure it's a somewhat thin argument, but I personally would think they'd start reserving their over-committal in the wake of the Facebook-picture-fax thing. I mean, they bought that hook, line and sinker, and that was a hoax they at least SAW.

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8 points by mikedouglas 143 days ago | link

What strikes me as worrisome is that, at least by the tone of the article, there is no possible doubt in Arrington's mind that the screenshot exists, and that it is EXACTLY what was claimed to him, and he hasn't even seen it.

This is a far better critique of TechCrunch than the "quid pro quo" angle.

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3 points by dfranke 143 days ago | link

Yes, it is indeed a better critique. That should have occurred to me.

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2 points by pjvandehaar 143 days ago | link

This is disproved by the fact that at least 10 perfectly photoshopped screenshots had to have been submitted in the first hour, and have not been posted.

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2 points by mullr 143 days ago | link

I find that a little funny. By wearing the free t-shirt, wouldn't everybody know what it's you that leaked said screenshot? Unless everybody at google regularly wears techcrunch clothing, which probably isn't likely. He should probably offer something which doesn't implicitly identify his source.

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17 points by idm 143 days ago | link

I hope the shirt says, "I leaked evidence in my employer's multi-million-dollar lawsuit and all I got was this lousy t-shirt"

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3 points by GHFigs 142 days ago | link

What lawsuit?

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1 point by josefresco 142 days ago | link

Anyone HN left with a sense of humor? dranke apparently lost his.

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