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French Minerve submarine is found after disappearing in 1968 (bbc.com)
90 points by pseudolus on July 23, 2019 | hide | past | favorite | 19 comments



There is a little more info in https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a284720...

The ship used is the Seabed Constructor: https://www.swireseabed.com/assets/vessels/seabed-constructo...

And there is commercial info in Ocean Infinity official website: https://oceaninfinity.com/


What’s weird is that year three other submarines also sank with unknown causes. One was the USS Scorpion which was also found. Another was the Israeli submarine also found much later. Last one is the K-129 of Soviet Union.


Although the causes of the Scorpion and K-129 losses are not known with certainty there is evidence that both were lost to battery explosions. Bruce Rule has a lot of interesting data on this

http://www.iusscaa.org/articles/brucerule/

As another person upthread noted, though, it is difficult to ever know with certainty not only due to the technical limitations but also due to the opsec limitations.


My dad worked in the aerospace industry. He mentioned three reasons for not releasing information. Hands down most common reason is because no ones career got derailed because they over classified something. Second most is because it would show some interest in a bad light. Third reason is because fixes to technical problems are often considered to be the military equivalent of trade secrets. AKA we figured out why the Scorpions battery blew up and we're not going to tell the Soviets how to make their submarine batteries safer.


> sank with unknown causes.

do you really think military intelligence would always release information in these cases?

money down, 9/10 times in cases like these someone protecting a source or hiding some knowledge for sigint/opsec/? purposes


They aren't going to release everything....but that doesn't mean they know what happened.


Both submarines lost in the mediterranean sea could have been caused by seaquakes i read earlier today. Still a strange timing for sure.


Ocean Infinity also found the ARA San Juan[1] last November.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_San_Juan_(S-42)


Very light on details, any idea what "new technology" this is referring to?


depth of object is impressive - coul make an interesting documentary


It says in a different article that they will leave it untouched as a sanctuary? Does this mean they won't try to investigate clues as to what took it down?


It's wonderfull for all the parents... Now the real challenge is to understand... Why it sunk. Families will also want this info.


It sunk in 1968. There's probably only a couple parents who aren't dead.


Family. Not necessarily just parents but brothers, cousins, etc.


Well sure. But the comment I was replying to initially said "parents" and left it at that.


"parents" in french means parents, but can also mean relatives.


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Oceans are vast, craft are small.

Minerve was not under rogue command as seems highly likely of MH370, incommunicado, and thousands of miles off-course. She didn't face a terminal impact at many hundreds of miles per hour. Submarine construction is vastly more substantial than airframes, and includes far more ferrous material, leaving a magnetic and sonar signature far greater than aluminium.

What remains of MH370 are small pieces widely scattered in an unknown area with a huge degree of uncertainty, having travelled many hours some 50 times faster than Minerve.

The location difficulty is not remotely comparable.


I thought exactly the same thing. Don't know why you were downvoted.


Maybe because people tire of arbitrary off-topic comments that don't actually have any substance. No interesting take, no obscure link, no analysis.

Have you ever seed a headline that reads "Map found in attic" and the first post is "I read that as Man found in attic hah"...and you wonder what the point of even posting that was?

Obviously, this is a social media website with a fair amount of watercooler chat, not something super-rigorous like /r/AskHistorians. But downvotes are a way to filter out useful content from non-useful content. They aren't saying "you are wrong to think that way".




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