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Ask YC: Accounting suggestions - how do you do it?
17 points by ericb 836 days ago | comments
If there is one thing that makes my blood boil, it's doing paperwork, especially taxes. I hate it. I hate keeping records, data entry, well, all of it. I've tried the accountant route, but it's expensive and I end up creating a spreadsheet to give to them that's nearly as annoying as doing it myself.

I'm hoping folks can share what they do tax-wise. Do you have any accounting hacks to make this less aggravating? What's your system and incorporation setup?



5 points by epi0Bauqu 836 days ago | link

I'm currently managing the accounting and taxes of my 4 startups and my personal taxes, which includes two schedule C businesses. Two of the startups are LLCs and two are S-corps, though before I've had two other C corps. I've used Peachtree, Quickbooks, Quickbooks Online, PayCycle, Turbotax Business, and good ol' Excel over the years.

I recommend Quickbooks (the desktop version) if you are doing it yourself and/or have multiple businesses. If you want your partner(s) and/or accountant(s) to have easy access, Quickbooks Online is good, though it has some limitations. I've always used TurboTax business without any problems (and TurboTax personal for that matter).

I always use the Desktop versions of TurboTax. I don't think there is an online business version, but if there is, don't use it. You want that CD so that if you need to amend 5 years from now, you can use it.

For Schedule C and supporting documentation for Quickbooks I use Excel. I don't put every transaction into Quickbooks because that is crazy. Every so often, depending on the business, I reconcile the spreadsheet with my bank accounts by exporting data from underlying billing systems or PayPal or whatever. Then I put the aggregate values into Quickbooks.

For Schedule C, I have a spreadsheet that I've tweaked over the years to make doing my taxes really easy. I can go into more detail if you want.

I have keep scanned and paper copies of everything. I know it is anal, but it makes me feel good and it is proved its weight in gold in several situations.

I also highly recommend PayCycle. It integrates right into QuickBooks and makes doing everything associated with employees super simple.

Btw, I have had my books professionally audited once, and there were no problems.

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5 points by nickb 836 days ago | link

Go for a hosted solution like quickbooks online or something like that. Why? Well, you can easily give access to your accountant or an investor (VC) and avoid all the paperwork that way... and you appear transparent to them. Now, that has some pros and cons but I think the pros overweigh the cons. You can then hire an accountant that's not even in your city and can save a lot of money that way. You also don't have to spend $500 right away since you'll be paying month-to-month.

http://oe.quickbooks.com/product_info.cfm?sc=QBC-V51-HME-FAM...

http://quickbooksgroup.com/webx?addPost@@.ef86087

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2 points by jyu 836 days ago | link

I used a bookkeeper ($50/month) and tax accountant for taxes. He is a retired multi-millionaire, that wanted to see a smart young guy succeed. All expenses were via credit/debit card. All revenues were promptly deposited into the bank account, and reflected on bank statements.

A bookkeeper or accountant is useful once you start making money, because they help keep you objective and should be a useful resource.

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5 points by crazeinc 836 days ago | link

Sounds like you haven't found the right accountant. For $300/month, we offload _everything_ to ours. We wrote more about it here: http://dynamite.errfree.com/posts/72-accounting-the-books

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2 points by mattculbreth 836 days ago | link

I use FreshBooks (http://www.freshbooks.com) for invoicing. I'm probably going to explore Quickbooks.com (their online solution) also for the accounting side of things.

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2 points by dkokelley 836 days ago | link

I use the quickbooks free starter edition plus Turbotax online. So far no problem and I got my refund right away (thank to free efile).

Once you start making money I think the best thing to do is hire an accounting firm or internal accountant/bookkeeper.

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2 points by davidw 836 days ago | link

I'm using GnuCash + an accountant. It works ok, but I share the paperwork frustration. I have an LLC.

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1 point by brentr 836 days ago | link

Tell me more about your problem. Perhaps a software solution is in need.

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1 point by davidw 836 days ago | link

I think it's more a hired-help solution, although having an on-line, web based accounting thing would probably not be a bad business for the right person.

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1 point by jamiequint 836 days ago | link

bookkeeper + accountant

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2 points by brentr 836 days ago | link

Turbo Tax

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1 point by ericb 836 days ago | link

Couple questions, if you don't mind. Are you incorporated? Is it a specific turbo tax variety? What's the process like, and do you do quarterly estimated tax and all that?

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1 point by brentr 836 days ago | link

Intuit's Turbo Tax walks you through everything. If you have a personal business, it will step you through the filing. If you have capital gains, it will help you with that as well. I just finished my taxes with Turbo Tax and it only took me about 15 minutes. Yes, I could have done them by hand, but I absolutely hate doing taxes even though I only do them once a year. The government already gets enough of my money, they will not get too much of my time also.

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1 point by ericb 836 days ago | link

Sounds promising. I have a C corp. Does TurboTax cover something like that, or only sole proprietorships?

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1 point by epi0Bauqu 836 days ago | link

Yes, it covers C corps, as well as LLCs and regular more regular partnerships. They have state versions too for state taxes.

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1 point by brentr 836 days ago | link

http://turbotax.intuit.com/small-business-taxes/

It lists C corp as an option, but I don't own a business, so I can't comment on what it can do for something like a C corp.

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1 point by blender 836 days ago | link

Simply Accounting + Retired Accountant

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1 point by marcusd 835 days ago | link

I use http://www.freeagentcentral.com to handle the lot (no US-specific tax support yet)

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