I remember my uncle telling me about them when I was growing up in the 90s. He was an officer responsible for the environmental impact assessment of the Baikonur rocket launches and visited Lykovs a couple of times. They lived really close to the area where Proton rocket boosters are supposed to fall down. Couple of years ago I found out that V. Peskov even mentioned my uncle in his 'Lost in the Taiga' book about the Lykov family.
He's trying to get iron smelted right now, but that's really hard. It seems the problem the Lykovs ran into was that their metal items rusted after a while and they couldn't repair them. It's really hard to live without pots, and knives.
A very humbling experience, great videos and great efforts.
I wonder, how many years (centuries) might have gone into inventing, discovering and perfecting even this "primitive" technology.
Not to undermine his efforts, but this guy could do all this "so fast" mostly because he is working in a rather comfortable and secure environment of modern and more civilized times, whereas the real primitives had to look out for predators (lions, tigers, etc), for other human attackers and so on.
Kudos to this guy and more kudos to all those anonymous primitive hackers who created such an incredible technology.
Lesson to take: I should stop complaining about those little inconveniences and discomforts I encounter in my modern life.
> the real primitives had to look out for predators (lions, tigers, etc), for other human attackers and so on.
I'm not sure what you're imagining pre-history to be like, but humans are generally the top of every food chain. It's also very rarely worth it to attack another human without desired resources. The big risk in Eurasia would be wolves, who would have to be very hungry. Non-pack animals usually are a threat when sleeping or to children, not an awake adult who can, well, walk away or climb a tree.
Point is: you're much more likely to die from starvation, infection, or disease while pursuing technology. Time was a major issue: any time not spent feeding yourself had better help you feed yourself later.
Before agriculture they didn't have this security, and spent most of their time foraging anyways. It is no coincidence that technology evolves much faster after the beginning of agriculture.
Technology evolved roughly 10 000 years after agriculture, only after society was at the point that you had relatively leisurely people that didn't have to till and keep watch all day. I wouldn't say agriculture kickstarted technological evolution, except for allowing for towns and larger tribes to form in the first place.
Agriculture is only around 10,000 years old (give or take, at least one tribe on the planet hasn't invented it yet). This is like saying nothing invented in the meantime since now (written language, most of math) is "technology"?
I'm not sure what I said has anything to do with agriculture. Could you explain why agriculture makes lone people safer? Humans are not going to be bear/lion/tiger food even alone if prepared properly. We are very dangerous/inefficient prey with just a sharp stick or two functional legs.
Agriculture encourages settlement, people can gather together for safety. Before that, they were moving around all the time, getting killed by a tiger was a realistic fear. Hunter gatherers had a tough life, even if successful on average.
If you've ever seen a brown bear...there isn't much you can do if you aren't armed with a gun, and even then....
Of course, the main benefit of agriculture was food security and surplus, allowing a whole bunch of activities not possible before.
Brown bears don't generally like human, as I have found repeatedly when seeing them in the wild. Your fear is ungrounded and irrational. Step one: don't interact with bear. Step two: don't smell like dead animal. Neither of these are hugely difficult and are easy to grasp lessons.
At no point was predation a major problem for humans. Again, nutrition and infection would most likely dominate hunter gatherer mortality.
And yet a few people get killed by brown bears every year in glacier national park through no fault of their own.
Also as a PSA, playing dead works (better) for brown bears since they aren't so interested in dead things, never try that with a black bear who are more like scavengers. If you saw a bear in he states outside of northern Montana or Alaska (or yellow stone), it was just a black bear.
The best part about that guy is the total absence of spoken language.
But, then, the source of the iron is also pretty incredible:
Then I collected orange iron bacteria from
the creek (iron oxide), mixed it with charcoal
powder (carbon to reduce oxide to metal) and
wood ash (flux to lower the melting point) and
formed it into a cylindrical brick. I filled
the furnace with charcoal, put the ore brick in
and commenced firing. The ore brick melted and
produced slag with tiny, 1mm sized specs of iron
through it. My intent was not so much to make
iron but to show that the furnace can reach a
fairly high temperature using this blower.
Bog iron [0] production was the predominant way of smelting iron before technology advanced to the point of being able to smelt iron ores. Iron Production in the Viking Age [1] has a really nice description and pictures of the process. This kind of smelting can be done with a small bloomery [2] and the resulted tiny iron specs result is called sponge iron. I wish Dwarf Fortress would implement this chain for environs that lack proper iron ores :)
There are smelting bugs in the game where melting down certain items produces more metal than it takes to make them.
That and hatch covers (building destroyers can't destroy on different z-axis) makes it really hard to lose in Fun ways. Most of my fortresses die from FPS death.
I couldn't begin to identify half the deposits he needs, let alone operate a DIY ore furnace. Stone age tools for me!
And assuming you assimilate the tips about procuring food you still require some measure of cooperation from the environment in any case!
The first video would be one that would show you how a large battery and a USB drive are not enough for survival, if only you would have something to watch the video on :)
I live in the Yukon - when we are out Moose hunting in the fall we often wonder if we could survive the winter if we flipped our canoe with nothing more than we have with us.
Every time this article comes up, I have two questions I've never found a satisfactory answer to:
1. How did they light fires?
2. How did they cook and boil water? From experience pots and pans fail after much less than 40 years.
For
1. I'd assume they kept the fire going, since the need to cook and boil food was constant.
I've read somewhere as a kid that prehistoric people who discovered fire kept it going round the clock since it was more convenient to always have a light source and warmth on demand and wood is generally plentiful enough.
Another interesting place, though not nearly as isolated, is Lukomir, Bosnia. It was remote enough during the Yugoslavian war that the war never really made it up there (though there was little reason to probably).
You have to drive an hour and a half from Sarajevo to a small village. From there, Lukomir is another six miles up into the hills at ~2,500 meters elevation. You can now drive up there, but I strongly recommend hiking: you will feel like the IceMan walking around Europe 5,000 years ago, at least I did.
The people there live very simple lives, as you can imagine: shepherding livestock during the day in the surrounding hills, mostly sheep, for instance.
On top of this is the fact that the village is on the edge of a canyon, so has spectacular views from a cliff next to it.
If you're ever in Sarajevo you should check Lukomir out!
If you want remote experiences in Europe, check out Apuseni or Maramures in Romania. Entire remote regions with people mostly living like hundreds of years ago.
+1 for this (even though as a Romanian I'm a little biased). For comparison, I got to visit Switzerland this summer. One of the most beautiful places I've visited, the mountains looked gorgeous, but I was continuously feeling that vibe that it was all a man-made park.
Thanks for sharing. Just watched it very interesting.
It was nostalgic seeing the old prayer book in Slavonic, with pages almost brown from being leafed through and used daily. I remembered by grandfather's books, they used to be like that. He tried to teach me some Slavonic, remember at least knowing the alphabet enough to read the words.
Then I like how Agafia explains what it is like to listen to the news about the outside world. The man who came to live next "door" (their relationship seems ...complicated) has a radio, and they listen to it sometimes. She mentions the impression she gets about the outside world from it, just terrible things: people killing each other, mining accidents, terrorist acts. It is as if aliens captured some of our broadcasts and tried to infer what we are like. Not that we are doing stellar job, but the news would make it seem like we are failing even more.
The other interesting comment was from the park ranger how wilderness cleanses people. Nobody is out that far stealing or committing crimes. That far out people are happy to see each other, help each other, hunters in their cabins leave food, matches and firewood.
Had to laugh of course, at her using the mangled test missile crashed nearby to scare the bears away, by hitting it with a stick. It is hard to fathom a more complete mix of Russian stereotypes in one single image: feisty old woman with a stick, wearing a head scarf, bears, soviet military artifact, and Siberia.
The article claims "Over the years Yerofey Sedov looked out for 71-year-old Agafya", but it fails to mention that Agafia did not find him helpful and that he did a 'sinful act' and blackmailed her. https://youtu.be/tt2AYafET68?t=1141
If anyone is interested, the Lykovs were part of a group of 'Old Believers' (староверы) a sect of the Russian orthodox church. The primary reason many people who shared their faith fled major cities was because of Communist religious purges (an attempt to solve the problem of 'Religion is the opium of the people')
> The primary reason many people who shared their faith fled major cities was because of Communist religious purges
No, it's because all the Orthodox that existed in cities realised the schism was stupid. Most of the 'Old Believers' moved to whatever remote part of Siberia or Alaska long before the communists existed. And those that do still exist, live in a timewarp, and are more akin to a cult than an Orthodox community. Keep in mind the schism happened in 1666 - nearly 3 centuries before the communist revolution.
Though the schism happened long before the Lykovs, the communist party led a strong campaign to destroy christian organizations in the early 20s-40s (right around the time the lykovs left).
The persecution actually began under Peter the Great. By the time Communists came into power most old believers had already fled.
The main reason for persecution was the old believers distrust of state power. They didn't accept rule by it and they didn't take any part in it. They were similar to the Amish people in the US.
What tradition do they hold to that has any relevance to Orthodox Christianity? It's not as if the MP (Moscow Patriarchate) is particularly modern - apart from not forcing their lay adherents to abandon modern technology. There are still hermits and monks in the canonical Orthodox Churches - on Mt. Athos, at Valaam, Mt. Sinai, etc... Canonical Orthodox churches still reject most of the shit that the Anglicans and Catholics have accepted. But they cross themselves with 3 fingers instead of 2...
There was an interesting short follow up from the Siberian Times a year after the Smithsonian piece - the last surviving member was seeking help, or maybe just tiring of isolation, in her 70s.
"I am all alone, my years are big, my health is bad, I keep
getting ill," Agafia said in the letter cited by the
newspaper. "There is a lump on my right breast, and my strength
is going. There is a need for a person, a helper, assuming
there are kind people in the world, as the world has always had
kind people."
The thought of the elderly Agafia facing such a harsh winter is
tough. But not all locals are sympathetic -- she has been
offered a winter home in a local village before, the Siberian
Times reports, but has refused it.
"She is being a little cunning," Vladimir Pavlovsky, editor of
the local paper Krasnoyarskiy Rabochiy, told the Siberian
Times. "She has no hunger. She wants to attract more
attention. She has enough cereals, bags of them lie on her
porch, and everywhere. And she has enough potatoes."
That editor sounds a bit heartless. She's clearly gone about as far as anyone can be expected to go, living virtually her whole life in isolation, and now she's 70 years old and is having a hard time taking surviving in one of the harshest environments on earth.
After a while, your body starts to break down, and some cereal and potatoes aren't going to cut it. She needs things like firewood and water. Even simply cooking will eventually be impossible to do when one gets old enough, especially under those primitive conditions.
Besides, she's probably lonely. Many elderly people suffer from depression and take their own lives because of their isolation. How hard can it be to have some sympathy for that?
Another article about this family said they died of kidney failure not because of their harsh diet, but because of the reintroduction of salt [citation needed]. Similar but not as unavoidable. Then again they craved salt but it's plausible their body couldn't handle it.
The three siblings are believed to have died from pneumonia.
Yerafei expresses doubt, saying "how could they get infected from us if they never took anything? For a long time, they didn't take our water, our food. If anything, Agafia should have gotten sick. Why? Well, I once grabbed her and kissed her."
Kissing facilitates the exchange of microbiota[0] and that exchange can strengthen the immune system. Might be that kiss saved her life.
Because the difficult landscape, these villages were isolated and kept the culture and some of the language. Funny to see the motifs on my mom's table cloths or the ornaments on my far relatives' main gatein Transylvania are exactly the same.
It's basically the fate of "discovered" people everywhere. Various native groups around the world would probably have beaten off conquistadors etc if it wasn't for the diseases they brought with them.
